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08-27-2019, 03:41 PM | #301 |
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08-27-2019, 03:43 PM | #302 | |
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They both played in 62 games. Clowney and Clark’s career comparison is fair, that’s not. And I was talking about the injury stuff combined with that when I said it was all that needed to be said. More reliable, and more productive. Yes, all that needs to be said. You’re wrong buddy. I know you Arne incapable of admitting it, but it doesn’t change it. |
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08-27-2019, 03:50 PM | #303 | |
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That seems...reasonable. And part of the reason people are so big on Clark is because the Seahawks moved him around. Suddenly you're seizing on Clowney's versatility as a negative? That's especially odd seeing as I specifically noted Clowney's ability to be more dynamic than Clark inside as a positive for him. I'm not shitting on Clark. I'm not saying he's a bad player - I've said he's probably a very good one and would be elated if he's a great one. I'm not even saying he may not be a better pure rusher than Clowney (at least I'm pretty sure I haven't said that; I'm largely undecided there). I'm saying that Clowney is at least a comparable player, the idea that Clark is more 'well rounded' isn't supported by...anything really, and that by paying roughly twice as much in trade for Clark as Clowney may have been available for, we overpaid. And more than anything I'm just really intrigued by how low people can push the bar for what constitutes a successful transaction here before all is said and done. I mean if he goes out there and is just a slightly better version of Duane Clemons, just how much are we gonna have to exaggerate his run defense to put a feather in Veach's cap? |
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08-27-2019, 04:04 PM | #304 |
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I was simply highlighting their objective conclusion that he was more productive inside than out, and the Texans had to utilize him there to get the most out of him, which still wasn’t quite double digits.
Their grades are subjective, so yes it is reasonable. Clark has 6 more sacks in the same amount of games playing with less talent around him (pass rusher wise). I don’t see why that’s so hard to acknowledge. He’s easily the better pass rusher if you’ve watched. I’m just throwing the stats out to support it. |
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08-27-2019, 04:15 PM | #305 |
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So you agree with their reasoning, as long as it's to your liking?
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08-27-2019, 04:23 PM | #306 | |
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Their grades are not the same thing. Do you get that? Or do I have to repeat it for third time? |
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08-27-2019, 04:26 PM | #307 |
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It's all being viewed and published through their eyes, which you call a trash source.
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08-27-2019, 04:28 PM | #308 |
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08-27-2019, 04:29 PM | #309 | |
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You're attempting to dismiss a holistic grade a subjective and thus not worthy of consideration while holding up a raw figure that tells only part of the story as completely unassailable. That's clearly drawing a conclusion and then arguing from the conclusion rather than engaging in a reasoned debate. Especially when you say "I know, I've seen it" and act ads though your clearly subjective opinion is entitled weight while PFFs is not. |
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08-27-2019, 04:30 PM | #310 |
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08-27-2019, 04:30 PM | #311 |
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08-27-2019, 04:33 PM | #312 |
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Jesus ****ing Christ. They're BOTH good players. There. Debate settled.
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08-27-2019, 04:33 PM | #313 | |
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Clark is more reliable and more productive. That was my point from the beginning. He’s the better player. Period. |
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08-27-2019, 04:36 PM | #314 |
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I’m not waffling. I’ve been very clear about it, but you’re choosing to ignore what I’m saying and playing stupid.
I posted a PFF article because it made a good point about his production inside vs. out (along with the injury stuff), which is objective. It could’ve been from anywhere and it’s no more/less true. That doesn’t mean I’m contradicting myself by choosing to ignore their subjective grading system. |
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08-27-2019, 04:42 PM | #315 |
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Who the **** cares. We got an elite pass rusher that can defend the run.
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