***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Half a bottle of Pedialyte Advanced Care+ before bed and you're a rock star in the AM.

IV of fluids and Oxygen helps a lot too.

German beer helps, no junk in their beer because of the purity law, 10 litres of beer no hangover. 6 days straight.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I would want to know the real cause of death of my family member and i would be pissed if somebody was trying to profit off their death

As would the insurance providers. Not to mention it is illegal to knowingly falsify cause of death. Coroners aren't paid any differently depending on what cause of death they determine. That extra money would go to the hospital/etc. So one would be risking their career and criminal charges so someone else higher up could potentially make more money?

Funny how we haven't heard from any victims families regarding lying about cause of death for profit.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Never ending lockdowns, draconian mask requirements... in related news LA County will see businesses flee for more favorable locations.

Please let us all know which businesses are going to "flee" Los Angeles. Disney? Paramount? Universal? Warner Brothers? Netflix? Google? Are they going to abandon Silicon Beach?

Thanks in advance! I'm sure this information will be very helpful.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Two weeks... i.e. the standard time-frame for when people are contagious and/or potentially become symptomatic if infected... since Georgia re-opened and every metric... rate of new cases, hospitalizations and deaths have trended downwards.

You seem intent on being irrationally negative without the basis of facts or consistent logic.

Let's talk about facts and logic

New York City went from 11,000 cases a day a month ago to 2,000 a day this week with a decline in percent positive cases without even approaching herd immunity according to their seroprevalence.

Meanwhile, Sweden, who for some reason you've stopped talking about, has eight times the death rate of Norway and 6.7 times the death rate of Finland.

So, if lockdowns don't work, why does New York have such a precipitous decline in their case numbers? And if letting people roam with fewer restrictions doesn't increase caseload, why is Sweden's death toll so much higher than their neighbors?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Fish

As would the insurance providers. Not to mention it is illegal to knowingly falsify cause of death. Coroners aren't paid any differently depending on what cause of death they determine. That extra money would go to the hospital/etc. So one would be risking their career and criminal charges so someone else higher up could potentially make more money?

Funny how we haven't heard from any victims families regarding lying about cause of death for profit.

Yeah i don't see it .

[Fish]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well you just sorta made my point. The Coroner in this case seems to be the one with integrity wanting the death to be recorded accurately and he is being ignored and overridden.

Wrong. I posted this in your DC thread too...

I think you might be confused on what's happening. The coroner is the one who determines the official cause of death, and it clearly states that COVID was not on the official death certificate. The coroner is just pointing out that the state added that death to their running total of COVID deaths when they shouldn't have. He's not claiming that the state misclassified the death certificate.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Two weeks... i.e. the standard time-frame for when people are contagious and/or potentially become symptomatic if infected... since Georgia re-opened and every metric... rate of new cases, hospitalizations and deaths have trended downwards.

You seem intent on being irrationally negative without the basis of facts or consistent logic.

Dude, everything with this virus is 2 weeks. I have long called this "the 2 week virus" because we are always 2 weeks away from whatever it is we want to know or wherever it is we want to go.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Dude, everything with this virus is 2 weeks. I have long called this "the 2 week virus" because we are always 2 weeks away from whatever it is we want to know or wherever it is we want to go.

There are things that reset that clock all the time.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Of course....

I am not saying you are right or wrong, Hamas but you seem to have one reason or another for anything that appears to be good news to not be good news.

Just now catching on to that?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Fish

Wrong. I posted this in your DC thread too...

I think you might be confused on what's happening. The coroner is the one who determines the official cause of death, and it clearly states that COVID was not on the official death certificate. The coroner is just pointing out that the state added that death to their running total of COVID deaths when they shouldn't have. He's not claiming that the state misclassified the death certificate.

Also, he might want to find better sources than those of a guy with 130 Twitter followers

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Fish

Wrong. I posted this in your DC thread too...

I think you might be confused on what's happening. The coroner is the one who determines the official cause of death, and it clearly states that COVID was not on the official death certificate. The coroner is just pointing out that the state added that death to their running total of COVID deaths when they shouldn't have. He's not claiming that the state misclassified the death certificate.

Let's read it together, what do you say???

"The person who died did not die from COVID-19, but they did test positive for the virus," the spokesperson said. "The state is reporting that death as a COVID death, but our health department wanted to let people know that even though the person did have the virus, they did not die from it."

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Again, Dane, I am just making light of the situation. No need to be so serious about it.

And if your point is the Mayor of LA is a douchewad I think I would whole heartedly agree.

pete, you must have forgotten this little caveat from your years playing the comedy club circuit: It's not funny if you have to explain the joke.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by eDave

There are things that reset that clock all the time.

Yep, like when the 2 weeks is up.....

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

pete, you must have forgotten this little caveat from your years playing the comedy club circuit: If you have to explain the joke, it's not funny.

Well you also have to have a sense of humor which is something I think you either never had or lost long ago. Either way it wasn't a joke, it was just a general statement.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Let's talk about facts and logic

New York City went from 11,000 cases a day a month ago to 2,000 a day this week with a decline in percent positive cases without even approaching herd immunity according to their seroprevalence.

Meanwhile, Sweden, who for some reason you've stopped talking about, has eight times the death rate of Norway and 6.7 times the death rate of Finland.

So, if lockdowns don't work, why does New York have such a precipitous decline in their case numbers? And if letting people roam with fewer restrictions doesn't increase caseload, why is Sweden's death toll so much higher than their neighbors?

Yes or no... has Georgia proven the panic/hysteria people such as yourself wrong by showing declines in all key metrics in the two weeks since they re-opened their economy?

Meanwhile, guess which state has shown an increase in the rate of new cases during that same time-frame? The lockdown paradise known as California.

Also over 50% of Sweden’s deaths are in nursing homes... i.e. the same problem that lockdown countries including the US, UK and Italy have experienced.