***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

I don't understand the news out of Olathe. All this talk about contact tracing and the health department won't release the name of the business where they found some positive cases.

But I'm supposed to give up all of my info if I walk into a restaurant?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Of course....

I am not saying you are right or wrong, Hamas but you seem to have one reason or another for anything that appears to be good news to not be good news.

So true.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Of course....

I am not saying you are right or wrong, Hamas but you seem to have one reason or another for anything that appears to be good news to not be good news.

That has nothing to do with it not being good news; I'm explaining what their approach is. They're a more distant culture anyways, and they're all wearing masks--don't you think that's important to consider when you look at how comparatively well they've done?

I also think that mentioning their cluster-based approach is important, because it shows that an effort is being made, albeit a different one than other countries.

It's not throwing water on the efforts, but explaining the difference therein, as it's far more complex than "Japan isn't testing and not social distancing," which isn't an accurate summation.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That has nothing to do with it not being good news; I'm explaining what their approach is. They're a more distant culture anyways, and they're all wearing masks--don't you think that's important to consider when you look at how comparatively well they've done?

I also think that mentioning their cluster-based approach is important, because it shows that an effort is being made, albeit a different one than other countries.

It's not throwing water on the efforts, but explaining the difference therein, as it's far more complex than "Japan isn't testing and not social distancing," which isn't an accurate summation.

Your last statement in that post made all the cool stuff you said not cool. It just came off as you were taking a shot at the whole thing even if you weren't.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

"My" summary, huh?

Perhaps you should read more than the first paragraph of an article before linking it.

"The goal was ambitious, with authorities seeking a 70-80 percent reduction in social interaction. The data suggests they got close to that figure and also managed to keep people from their usual annual pilgrimage home during the early May “Golden Week” holidays. Japan Rail said its high-speed train network operated at around 5 percent of capacity over the holiday period, compared with the typical 105 percent."

"In general, however, Japan’s culture of concern for others, keeping a distance, avoiding handshakes, and good personal hygiene appears to have played a significant, if difficult to measure, part in the low numbers."

That's a pretty substantial difference.

[Discuss Thrower]

The Japanese are apparently bullying health care providers, so that's something.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Of course....

I am not saying you are right or wrong, Hamas but you seem to have one reason or another for anything that appears to be good news to not be good news.

it is never a bad idea to get all the info.

Getting a blowjob offer sounds good, but who or what is making the offer is good info to have.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Your last statement in that post made all the cool stuff you said not cool. It just came off as you were taking a shot at the whole thing even if you weren't.

It wasn't correct. It was off-base. What they've done is more expansive than that and their approach has been quite a bit different than just "don't test and have lax social distancing standards."

When dealing with this issue we need to deal with facts, and misrepresentations of those facts leads to people making poor decisions.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by staylor26

So true.

Quick edit.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Here's an article describing the cluster-based approach to the epidemic I referenced earlier:

https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/covi...e-japan-model/

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Quick edit.

Lol...yeah.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Quick edit.

Since you want to call it out...

I said Hamas is a miserable **** and even though everybody wants to suck his cock in here, I don’t really give a shit what he has to say or how smart he is. I’m sure he knows his shit, but that also doesn’t mean everything he says in this thread is the gospel.

Then I remembered he’s going through some ****ed up shit so I can’t say I know what that’s like.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Since you want to call it out...

I said Hamas is a miserable **** and even though everybody wants to suck his cock in here, I don’t really give a shit what he has to say or how smart he is. That doesn’t mean everything he says in this thread is the gospel.

But then I remembered he’s going through some ****ed up shit so I can’t say I know what that’s like.

If you're gonna post that you "hate" someone, might as well own it.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

If you're gonna post that you "hate" someone, might as well own it.

I didn’t want to be mean when the guy is fighting cancer. I do have a heart even if I don’t like somebody.

Also, I said “can’t stand”. I didn’t use the word “hate”.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Here's an article describing the cluster-based approach to the epidemic I referenced earlier:

https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/covi...e-japan-model/

Co-worker and I had a discussion about the asymptomatic people and "shedding". Let me ask you, do you think we know for a fact these people are shedding? I mean is it a given or is it just an assumption?