***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Because he hasn't always been right. I never said don't listen to him. I said we should listen to others as well. You say his word isn't gospel yet you are doing just what I am talking about which is arguing with anyone who says his word isn't gospel.

While I have no illusions that he's infallible, what specifically has he been wrong about?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

You mean you have never been wrong hence untrustworthy?

apparently you are not familiar with my "wont sniff the playoffs "thread?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I asked what about them because his statement implied all experts agreed with him. You took it for something I did not say.

I guess I still don't know what kind of answer you're looking for, so...I'll move on.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Watch this

Updated proofs of our paper published in Travel Medicine and Infectious Disease : "Early treatment of COVID-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin: A retrospective analysis of 1061 cases in Marseille, France."https://t.co/Rmfqolt1uH pic.twitter.com/o7qIjNw2zd

— Didier Raoult (@raoult_didier) May 13, 2020

Now are you guys going to immediately deny or read it? Science is always changing right?

Been lurking until you found just the right place to try and stir shit up again.

A glutton for punishment.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I think I'd go with "alarming" rather than "amusing," personally.

So it's okay to get into politics in this thread now? Cause I have a strong feeling had I or Bleeding said something similar we would have been chastised.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I think I'd go with "alarming" rather than "amusing," personally.

We live in a time where if someone doesn't like what an expert has to say they either look at shit online for an hour and think they know more or find someone else online that disagrees.

No one can just say man that dudes pretty smart I hate this but he knows what he's talking about.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Been lurking until you found just the right place to try and stir shit up again.

A glutton for punishment.

Oh wait you are going to deny Science......... Now correct me if I'm wrong but I've been told that's not ok.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Watch this

Updated proofs of our paper published in Travel Medicine and Infectious Disease : "Early treatment of COVID-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin: A retrospective analysis of 1061 cases in Marseille, France."https://t.co/Rmfqolt1uH pic.twitter.com/o7qIjNw2zd

— Didier Raoult (@raoult_didier) May 13, 2020

Link

"Those receiving the triple-drug combination had a 1.5 times greater likelihood of recovering enough to be discharged, and were 44 percent less likely to die, compared to the double-drug combination."
Now are you guys going to immediately deny or read it? Science is always changing right?

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

I remember the first few weeks of this when everyone loved Fauci after he said not to be alarmed. After about two weeks or so conservatives flipped on him when he started suggesting things that they didn't like.

Then he became the scapegoat for Trump's decision making. Next thing you know he's public enemy #1, a Deep State stooge who's part of this globalist cabal and can't be trusted. All of a sudden he's a profiteer taking advantage of an epidemic he manifested so he can make millions.

It's always amusing to watch these sorts of things mutate.

It's almost like the phrase 'Alternative facts' from a couple years ago made everyone of them an expert.....in their own minds

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Been lurking until you found just the right place to try and stir shit up again.

A glutton for punishment.

Actually this was being discussed this morning with the NYU guys. There are still studies going on with this and they were talking with the Cleveland Clinic this morning. They are also working on studies that still use zinc but with other methods to help get the zinc absorbed into the body.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Actually this was being discussed this morning with the NYU guys. There are still studies going on with this and they were talking with the Cleveland Clinic this morning. They are also working on studies that still use zinc but with other methods to help get the zinc absorbed into the body.

Its in the Link.

I should have bolded more, but these same guys who claim "Der the experts all agree" immediately dismissing EXPERTS showing their studies is kind of IRONIC.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Excellent article on herd-immunity and how vaccines affect it, R0, and fatality rate.

I would encourage everyone to read this. It also has a tool you can use to demonstrate how many people need to get the disease for herd immunity and what the total fatalities would be based upon the fatality rate.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-wont-save-us/

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Oh wait you are going to deny Science......... Now correct me if I'm wrong but I've been told that's not ok.

See: post regarding scientific consensus.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

I remember the first few weeks of this when everyone loved Fauci after he said not to be alarmed. After about two weeks or so conservatives flipped on him when he started suggesting things that they didn't like.

Then he became the scapegoat for Trump's decision making. Next thing you know he's public enemy #1, a Deep State stooge who's part of this globalist cabal and can't be trusted. All of a sudden he's a profiteer taking advantage of an epidemic he manifested so he can make millions.

It's always amusing to watch these sorts of things mutate.

Looks at title of thread.

***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

Looks at Detoxing's post.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Oh wait you are going to deny Science......... Now correct me if I'm wrong but I've been told that's not ok.

How much stock did you buy?