***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by displacedinMN

#BREAKING California State University campuses to remain closed through fall semester, affecting 23 universities https://t.co/yovEfW7Rj6

— ABC7 Eyewitness News (@ABC7) May 12, 2020

ANOTHER SOURCE

It's ****ing May! Just wow.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I don't know. fellas, but it seems like paranoia is starting to rule. Talking about cancelling school not for in CA but everywhere and it is only May? LA county locking down until August?

I don't know what the **** is going on but it sure seems like the goal of flattening the curve has been achieved and the goal posts are clearly being moved in some places.

It's one thing to be prudent. It's another to be completely paranoid to the point of self-destruction. I feel like right now some would have us be the frog that hides from the snake by jumping into the the frying pan. We think we are safe when really we are being slowly roasted to death.

Even NYC is planning to begin lifting their stay at home measures starting in June.

LA County for some reason wants to prolong their lockdown.

[petegz28]

The Mayor of LA has moved the goal posts in no uncertain terms. When things went from flattening the curve to now as he says "until we have a vaccine....." Yeah, goal posts moved.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Even NYC is planning to begin lifting their stay at home measures starting in June.

LA County for some reason wants to prolong their lockdown.

I didn't hear that about NYC but I did hear that upstate NY was starting to lift.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yes but that's due in large part from Sat-Mon but even those days were lower than they typically have been.

I think it's time to start using a little common sense. If the hospitals in an area start getting a run then you have a problem and need to address it. If they aren't then I think you need to start moving forward though cautiously.

The potential problem we face with re-opening is a spike occurring and we're back to square one.

We're going to have to make sacrifices until there's a vaccine (fingers crossed) or this virus withers away on its own(seems unlikely).

[petegz28]

I don't know if any of you have ever seen the movie Johnny Mnemonic but there was a particular scene when Reeves was flying back to New Jersey and the sub-text says "Free City of Newark".


Mother ****ers in LA gonna be talking about "I'm heading for the free city of Phoenix" and shit.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

The potential problem we face with re-opening is a spike occurring and we're back to square one.

We're going to have to make sacrifices until there's a vaccine (fingers crossed) or this virus withers away on its own(seems unlikely).

That's the new Boogie Man and I don't necessarily disagree but herd immunity is also something we have to be looking at as well as other economic issues.

We might see a spike and probably will in some areas. But we have to go back to the original question which is, do we have the resources to address it or do we need to shut things down so our hospitals don't get plowed?

And we may never have a vaccine so this "we have to hide until we find the cure" isn't practical.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

The potential problem we face with re-opening is a spike occurring and we're back to square one.

We're going to have to make sacrifices until there's a vaccine (fingers crossed) or this virus withers away on its own(seems unlikely).

There will never be another square one. Too many people have already been infected for that.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

The potential problem we face with re-opening is a spike occurring and we're back to square one.

We're going to have to make sacrifices until there's a vaccine (fingers crossed) or this virus withers away on its own(seems unlikely).

The key part of “new normal” is NORMAL... forcing people to stay in their homes for nearly six months is not even close to attempting some degree of normalcy.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That's the new Boogie Man and I don't necessarily disagree but herd immunity is also something we have to be looking at as well as other economic issues.

I don't disagree, but we risk the potential of excessive demand for our hospitals/healthcare supplies, which is what the idea of flattening the curve is about avoiding.

We might see a spike and probably will in some areas. But we have to go back to the original question which is, do we have the resources to address it or do we need to shut things down so our hospitals don't get plowed?

Without a doubt I think as a country we're better prepared for a wave of COVID-19 now than we were in February. However, in the event we aren't ready for a larger wave, we'll basically be where we are now.

And we may never have a vaccine so this "we have to hide until we find the cure" isn't practical.

You're not wrong, but there are things we can do in the mean time to mitigate how many people are infected as we learn more about COVID-19. In the event that there isn't a vaccine, and the virus is potentially seasonal, we'll have to adapt it as a part of common life. Until more is learned or there's a vaccine, I think it would be unwise to have the number of infections sky rocket.

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The key part of “new normal” is NORMAL... forcing people to stay in their homes for nearly six months is not even close to attempting some degree of normalcy.

I agree, there has to be a balance.

Personally, I have no clue how the **** we're going to recover fiscally in the near to intermediate future. Even with stores/restaurants starting to re-open, they're nowhere near close to full capacity. Unemployment isn't just going to magically go down to where it was before even if people are brought to retail, hospitality, manufacturing, etc. That takes time.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Gorgeous!

And a little advice, don't post any family members pics on here. It always seems to end up bad.

Already fapped.

[petegz28]

And I know this borders on political but I would say that these Governors and Mayors and City Councils and such that are ordering these lock downs have their pay checks suspended until the people that pay them are allowed to return to work.

If you're going to intentionally put people out of work then you need to join with them them. Take your ass to the unemployment line like the others have to do. It's really easy to tell someone else to sit at home without a job while you get your full pay check.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And I know this borders on political but I would say that these Governors and Mayors and City Councils and such that are ordering these lock downs have their pay checks suspended until the people that pay them are allowed to return to work.

If you're going to intentionally put people out of work then you need to join with them them. Take your ass to the unemployment line like the others have to do. It's really easy to tell someone else to sit at home without a job while you get your full pay check.

Oh hell, I'm agreeing with Pete.



THE APOCALYPSE IS UPON US

[TLO]

Originally Posted by displacedinMN

#BREAKING California State University campuses to remain closed through fall semester, affecting 23 universities https://t.co/yovEfW7Rj6

— ABC7 Eyewitness News (@ABC7) May 12, 2020

ANOTHER SOURCE

Insanity

[Pepe Silvia]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And I know this borders on political but I would say that these Governors and Mayors and City Councils and such that are ordering these lock downs have their pay checks suspended until the people that pay them are allowed to return to work.

If you're going to intentionally put people out of work then you need to join with them them. Take your ass to the unemployment line like the others have to do. It's really easy to tell someone else to sit at home without a job while you get your full pay check.

Bingo.