***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

You are out of your mind. Unemployment benefits are not enough to save those in LA. Whole families being thrown on the street....... How long till someone says enough and pulls a gun.

You are insane...

Points are valid. Despair can lead to crime...but it hasn't so far. So far crime has dramatically been reduced. Many are claiming suicide rates could be higher during this, well car accidents, accidental deaths and crime are all way down too.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Florida hasn’t been hit hard either, despite not implementing the draconian lockdown measures.

Florida has a lower total cases and deaths # than California and their cases and death rate, factoring in the population difference is about the same.

California has a per capita death rate that is 15.2% lower while actually reporting all of their deaths, unlike Florida.

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by Three7s

I recall SARS dying out because it mutated into a form where it killed much quicker, but also made it harder to spread, as you just described. That's probably what we'll have to hope for because I have zero confidence in a vaccine at this point.

Why scientifically zero confidence in a vaccine outside of the fact we’ve never had a coronavirus vaccine? If that’s the reason for zero confidence, have you reviewed the science on where they are at on this one and still have zero confidence in a vaccine? Sincere questions.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Points are valid.

They are NOT valid.

There's been a 90 day hold on any and all evictions in California and that will extend as long as the state continues to extend the lockdowns. There's also been a 90 day forbearance available for mortgage payments. All anyone needs to do is fill out the paperwork.

That said, the Governor needs a plan, something that he doesn't seem to have forged at this point because he keeps vacillating between keeping everything closed, and opening up certain segments of the economy.

If that continues, people will lose faith in his leadership and begin ignoring his orders, which could lead to problems.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Well unless people can pick up the Rona from a fish, you should be good, if people are smart enough to social distance.

They also hit local gas stations, grocery stores, beer stores etc. I have no worries about the fishing or boating unless they crowd the boat launches . We get a lot from Toronto or harder hit areas.

I actually plan on getting some fishing in myself I think I got out twice last year even though I have a cottage on a lake, not many fishermen on my lake which is nice it is full of smallmouth , most people here go for walleye mostly.

[petegz28]

BTW, weren't we supposed to be at 3,000+ deaths a day right now? Or was that later this month?

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think that people will comply, as long as the beaches, trails and parks are open. Social Distancing will be much more difficult when millions of people are allowed to resume their normal outdoor activities but I think most people will continue to follow the orders as much as possible.

I've mentioned this earlier in the thread but more than 60% of people I've seen driving, whether it's been on my street or in Hollywood or on the freeways, have been wearing a mask in their cars.

As for guns?

I have only seen that once here. Thank God I was at a stop light, because I was laughing so hard I probably would have driven off the road, if that weren't the case. I mean, WTF do they think is going to happen inside a car? Get attacked by the Rona through the air vents?

[jdubya]

A month ago in my neighborhood it looked like a ghost town. Today traffic is heavy, parks are full, skateboard park had 50-75 kids in it.....I think much of California has stopped listening to Gruesome Newsome

[JakeLV]

Originally Posted by Bwana

I have only seen that once here. Thank God I was at a stop light, because I was laughing so hard I probably would have driven off the road, if that weren't the case. I mean, WTF do they think is going to happen inside a car? Get attacked by the Rona through the air vents?

The idea is to not to much your mask after you’ve touched potentially contaminated surfaces. IE, getting in your car, you touch your car door, keys, steering wheel, shifter, etc. and if your not wiping those down after every time you come home, then you might put on a mask that’s also contaminated

[FloridaMan88]

Driving by yourself or people you live with and wearing a mask while in your vehicle seems beyond overkill/stupid.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by JakeLV

The idea is to not to much your mask after you’ve touched potentially contaminated surfaces. IE, getting in your car, you touch your car door, keys, steering wheel, shifter, etc. and if your not wiping those down after every time you come home, then you might put on a mask that’s also contaminated

I have a big bottle of hand sanitizer in the center council of my truck to take care of that. I open the door, hit my hands and keys with sanitizer, shut my door from the inside and I'm on my way. If I had a mask on, I would implement that into the ritual as not to contaminate anything. I mean to each their own, but around here, wearing a mask in a car is to put it mildly, overkill.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

They also hit local gas stations, grocery stores, beer stores etc. I have no worries about the fishing or boating unless they crowd the boat launches . We get a lot from Toronto or harder hit areas.

I actually plan on getting some fishing in myself I think I got out twice last year even though I have a cottage on a lake, not many fishermen on my lake which is nice it is full of smallmouth , most people here go for walleye mostly.

This is a good time to bring up the Chiefs Planet Noob Ambassador Program.

Basically during a new members first year on CP he's obligated to provide lodging for long time members who happen to be traveling through their neck of the woods.

Yea, it's been voted on and all, so it's official.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Bwana

I have only seen that once here. Thank God I was at a stop light, because I was laughing so hard I probably would have driven off the road, if that weren't the case. I mean, WTF do they think is going to happen inside a car? Get attacked by the Rona through the air vents?

It may look funny but it is considered best practice to not remove your masks once you left your house if you planon making stops and leaving the vehicle etc.. risk contamination from handling the mask .

[JakeLV]

Originally Posted by Bwana

I have a big bottle of hand sanitizer in the center council of my truck to take care of that. I open the door, hit my hands and keys with sanitizer, shut my door from the inside and I'm on my way. If I had a mask on, I would implement that into the ritual as not to contaminate anything. I mean to each their own, but around here, wearing a mask in a car is to put it mildly, overkill.

... you guys still have hand sanitizer?

I hear ya. I’m definitely on the extreme end of the spectrum. But, I’m happy to look like a jackass for my own piece of mind.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Monticore

It may look funny but it is considered best practice to not remove your masks once you left your house if you planon making stops and leaving the vehicle etc.. risk contamination from handling the mask .

Your phone, car/house keys, sunglasses. etc. are likely just as contaminated.