***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bwana

See that's exactly the way I see it, at some point, people are going to get tired of it and say screw this.

That's exactly what happened when the beaches were closed: Everyone hit the parks and trails, which were so overwhelmed that the mayor closed them as well.

The heat wave we experienced the past 10 days or so is now over, so people won't be packing the beach for at least a week or so. But once summer is here, there's nothing the city will be able to do to enforce this order.

[Redbled]

Originally Posted by tk13

Yeah this is being overdramatic. You certainly don't think New York's economy is really doing great right now. If you become a hotspot, you're toast.

Some still believe the economy would have been fine with zero mitigation.

[Redbled]

Originally Posted by O.city

That's just crazy though.

If I were an official I wouldn't ever put a date on it. If you hit that date and have to extend, you're gonna get shit on.

I always preferred the word indefinitely but a lot of people have to imagine a finish line.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's exactly what happened when the beaches were closed: Everyone hit the parks and trails, which were so overwhelmed that the mayor closed them as well.

The heat wave we experienced the past 10 days or so is now over, so people won't be packing the beach for at least a week or so. But once summer is here, there's nothing the city will be able to do to enforce this order.

Yeah, I'm not seeing people behaving for another 10 weeks, through the end of July, it's just not happening.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Yeah, I'm not seeing people behaving for another 10 weeks, through the end of July, it's just not happening.

Pretty good deals on AR-15 kits!

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Halfway down here:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ng/3108593001/

That's to be expected with any antiviral. HIV, Hep B, and Hep C are all treated through combination therapy. The advantage those drugs have is that we've had time to tailor medicinal chemistry to specific components of replication, fusion, attachment, or viral entry.

Remdesevir will be more efficacious the earlier it's used, but there isn't going to be enough of it to use it early. With that said, a modest reduction in hospitalization time, the 31% he is referring to, still helps with resource allocation and reduction of stress on the system...if the hospitals can get it, which is still extremely difficult.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Yeah, I'm not seeing people behaving for another 10 weeks, through the end of July, it's just not happening.

Wait until the look around the country and see most everyone else opened up as well. Woof.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Wait until the look around the country and see most everyone else opened up as well. Woof.

And paid the price.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Bwana

See that's exactly the way I see it, at some point, people are going to get tired of it and say screw this.

Our fishing season opens this weekend and we live on the shores of biggest lake in central Ontario, after 8 months of being indoors from winter and this virus it is going to be difficult to keep people from flocking to the lake from across the provinvce. Which I understand and just don,t want to go backward and have to start over.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

LA County 'with all certainty' extending stay at home order through JULY per the LA Times.

Breaking: Los Angeles County’s stay-at-home orders will “with all certainty” be extended for the next three months, Los Angeles County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer acknowledged during a Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday https://t.co/jswRcZ5FkS— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) May 12, 2020

You are really messing with people’s psychological makeup with this. What you are really doing is asking people to live in a situation, for a prolonged period of time, that induces fear, anxiety, anger, frustration, etc. that also prohibits a large number of them from doing the things that would otherwise alleviate those negative emotions. It is no surprise that people will be ignoring this. They almost have to. You can’t ask people to live in such a heightened mental state for so long. It goes against our very nature to seek joy and comfort and to take steps in reducing stress.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Yeah, I'm not seeing people behaving for another 10 weeks, through the end of July, it's just not happening.

Yeah, it's just too much to ask, especially during the summer months.

[KCUnited]

I'd rather Pritzker just come out and say through July to us instead of yanking the football away while on our approach every 2 weeks. Continually getting people's hopes up is going to ramp up the backlashes.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

I'd rather Pritzker just come out and say through July to us instead of yanking the football away while on our approach every 2 weeks. Continually getting people's hopes up is going to ramp up the backlashes.

This is where I'd be too.

Thet can always end it early if it's not needed. Sucks to keep pushing the dates back

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

This is where I'd be too.

Thet can always end it early if it's not needed. Sucks to keep pushing the dates back

And they are going to get pushed back again at this rate.

I'm looking at you, PHX.

There's no reason for me to consider going back until the end of the month. Things are starting to open up, Ducey will likely let the stay at home order expire on the 15th - and then by the end of the month you'll see a massive spike in cases.

Then we do this all over again.

[CaliforniaChief]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

I'd rather Pritzker just come out and say through July to us instead of yanking the football away while on our approach every 2 weeks. Continually getting people's hopes up is going to ramp up the backlashes.

That's exactly what my county (Los Angeles) is going to announce. Stay-at-home through July.

Our city (Palmdale) and Lancaster have petitioned the county to be given exemption because of our location and different numbers. I'm really hoping that works out because people are losing their ever-loving minds over this.