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FloridaMan88 · 02-02-2009, 09:59 AM

As if they hadn't started already...

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...&position=also

Matt Cassel draws interest

TAMPA - They might not have been one of the two Super Bowl participants last night, but the Patriots [team stats] still generated a lot of talk on Radio Row during the week.

With Matt Cassel making the rounds, there was plenty of speculation on how much interest he would draw should the Pats apply the franchise tag and then trade him.

The pundits’ top pick to land Cassel in that scenario is Kansas City. Obviously, the Scott Pioli factor weighs heavily in that choice, with the Pats former vice president of player personnel now calling the shots for the Chiefs.

“I’d really look at Pioli down there in Kansas City. Why wouldn’t he want him?” Sirius NFL radio analyst Jim Miller said. “He knows what the kid is capable of doing. So I think he’d be on their radar.”

Miller, like most analysts, doesn’t see the crop of quarterbacks in this year’s NFL Draft as particularly appealing. That boosts the draw for Cassel, especially if Pioli decides he’s not satisfied with the collection of QBs he inherited after taking over the job.

“I don’t think this is a strong quarterback draft. Everybody is saying Matthew Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of USC are going to go in the Top 10. I don’t believe that,” Miller said. “I don’t think those guys are ready. And I don’t think you’ll see the type of success guys like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco had. They just haven’t played enough. So I can’t see teams wanting them.

“But if Kansas (City) were to make that deal, that’s their Matt Ryan. That’s their Joe Flacco. Unlike a Sanchez, for instance, they know he’s playing at a starter’s level. So to them, I think it’d be worth it to do. They’d get their starting quarterback, they know what he’s capable of doing, and they’ve seen him win games at the NFL level.”

Other experts, meanwhile, aren’t sure Pioli would want to deal with his former boss right out of the gate.

Some other teams figuring to make a pitch for Cassel include the New York Jets, Detroit, Minnesota, San Francisco, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Chicago.

As for what Cassel would land in a trade, there were differing opinions. Miller, for one, thought he would cost a second-round draft choice.

The decision to trade or keep Cassel will ultimately depend on Tom Brady [stats]’s health. While reports have him on target to play in the season opener, he still has a few hurdles to clear before that point following reconstructive surgery on his left knee and a subsequent staph infection.

“I think a lot is going to depend on where Kevin O’Connell is in his development. If they feel they can move Matt to benefit their team, they’ll do it,” said Miller, a one-time Pats backup quarterback. “It’s rolling the dice on Tom and whether he’s healthy, and two, can they do it with Kevin O’Connell? The question they have to ask is if O’Connell is as capable of what they have in Matt Cassel?”

Frankie · 02-03-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

BUT IT'S SO EASY!

I mean, who wouldn't want to give up their 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks, plus take on an extra $20M in guaranteed money?

Why wouldn't Philadelphia want to give us both their 1sts, their 2nd, and a first next year?

It's been done many times before.

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-03-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

It's been done many times before.

Please, enlighten us all as to when the last time a team traded down from the #3 pick was.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-03-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

When every god damn team in the league uses the thing arguing that it's dumb is a pointless activity.

Is this really that hard to understand, when every single team in the league does something you have to take into into account and not go "well I think it's stupid so it doesn't matter"

It doesn't work that way, it's like things in life when things are an accepted standard you have to take them into account you can't go well I think that's dumb so I'm gonna do this.

Keep saying the chart is dumb it'll just make you wrong because every team uses it.

I'll keep saying it's dumb as long as teams continue to use it even though it goes against every negotiation principle in the book. The fact that business savvy general managers continue to use this reeruned approach is beyond my comprehension.

And the argument is most certainly in play, because Pioli is a man who is not afraid to trade down and he's never had a top 5 pick before.

The reason it's a relevant argument is that it is the team that is trading down that has the leverage to change their bargaining position, and yet most teams don't because they adhere to a ridiculous chart. If Pioli picked up the phone and told a team he was willing to negotiate, I promise there would be a lot more interest. And given that Pioli likes to trade down, I wouldn't put it past him unless there was an absolute no-brainer sitting there for him.

splatbass · 02-03-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Why does every draft thread always turn into...

Trade Down
These QB's aren't any good
The draft chart is dumb

Sorry people disagree with you, Mecca. It must really be tough on you. But if you try real hard you can get through it.

RustShack · 02-03-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Sorry people disagree with you, Mecca. It must really be tough on you. But if you try real hard you can get through it.

The people who disagree a either just a dumbass, don't know shit about the NFL and how business works, or play to much ****ing Madden.

splatbass · 02-03-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

The people who disagree a either just a dumbass, don't know shit about the NFL and how business works, or play to much ****ing Madden.

Cuz Mecca is a genius?

I've got news for you. People have different opinions. Learn to live with it. Everyone is not going to agree with you. And here is the key: not everyone that disagrees with you is a dumbass. I know, it's shocking.

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-03-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Cuz Mecca is a genius?

I've got news for you. People have different opinions. Learn to live with it. Everyone is not going to agree with you. And here is the key: not everyone that disagrees with you is a dumbass. I know, it's shocking.

You're allowed to have a differing opinion. You're just wrong.

Frankie · 02-03-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

The people who disagree a either just a dumbass, don't know shit about the NFL and how business works, or play to much ****ing Madden.

Wow!

Frankie · 02-03-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Cuz Mecca is a genius?

I've got news for you. People have different opinions. Learn to live with it. Everyone is not going to agree with you. And here is the key: not everyone that disagrees with you is a dumbass. I know, it's shocking.

That's been my point all along to the self-appointed "Gods of Football" on this bb. Very Good.

Frankie · 02-03-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

You're allowed to have a differing opinion. You're just wrong.

Thank you Lord for allowing us mortals to have opinions. We humbly thank you for your verbal abuses for it's far better than bolts of lightning.

bigbucks24 · 02-03-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I've pushed for a trade down but my argument has always been that the reason trades don't happen, is because a reeruned draft chart makes it impossible to trade out of the spot. I've yet to hear a compelling argument as to why top 5 trades demand so much compensation. The only argument is "because the chart says so."

If trades are constantly getting nixed from teams that are pushing for a trade-down, then that means the draft chart is off. End of story.

I think another reason that trades at the top of the draft seldom happen anymore is the outrageously high gauranteed contract that teams will have to take on for a player that has never played a down in the NFL. I think if there were some type of rookie cap or slotting that the NBA employs, that high pick would be worth a lot more. But a long as the contract puts an NFL n00b amongst the highest paid players in the league, it loses value.

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-03-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Thank you Lord for allowing us mortals to have opinions. We humbly thank you for your verbal abuses for it's far better than bolts of lightning.

You're welcome.

bigbucks24 · 02-03-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Cuz Mecca is a genius?

I've got news for you. People have different opinions. Learn to live with it. Everyone is not going to agree with you. And here is the key: not everyone that disagrees with you is a dumbass. I know, it's shocking.

BTW, I haven't seen anyone on this thread that is a dumbass, just people that express different opinions. Sometimes they might express them with too much passion and maybe don't choose their words carefully. I take that back, the guy that said the Chiefs would sign Haynesworth, trade a 2nd for Boldin, trade a 3rd for Cassel and stil keep the 3rd overall pick is a dumb.........let's just say I don't think that is realistic.

RustShack · 02-03-2009, 11:06 AM

Exactly our point, what your saying is an OPINION. What we are saying is actually how shit in the NFL works.

**The Franchise** · 02-03-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Please, enlighten us all as to when the last time a team traded down from the #3 pick was.

I'm waiting for him to tell us the last time that someone traded out of the top 3.

02-02-2009, 09:59 AM
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses FloridaMan88's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL	And so the "Matt Cassel to KC" Rumors Begin... As if they hadn't started already... http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...&position=also Matt Cassel draws interest TAMPA - They might not have been one of the two Super Bowl participants last night, but the Patriots [team stats] still generated a lot of talk on Radio Row during the week. With Matt Cassel making the rounds, there was plenty of speculation on how much interest he would draw should the Pats apply the franchise tag and then trade him. The pundits’ top pick to land Cassel in that scenario is Kansas City. Obviously, the Scott Pioli factor weighs heavily in that choice, with the Pats former vice president of player personnel now calling the shots for the Chiefs. “I’d really look at Pioli down there in Kansas City. Why wouldn’t he want him?” Sirius NFL radio analyst Jim Miller said. “He knows what the kid is capable of doing. So I think he’d be on their radar.” Miller, like most analysts, doesn’t see the crop of quarterbacks in this year’s NFL Draft as particularly appealing. That boosts the draw for Cassel, especially if Pioli decides he’s not satisfied with the collection of QBs he inherited after taking over the job. “I don’t think this is a strong quarterback draft. Everybody is saying Matthew Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of USC are going to go in the Top 10. I don’t believe that,” Miller said. “I don’t think those guys are ready. And I don’t think you’ll see the type of success guys like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco had. They just haven’t played enough. So I can’t see teams wanting them. “But if Kansas (City) were to make that deal, that’s their Matt Ryan. That’s their Joe Flacco. Unlike a Sanchez, for instance, they know he’s playing at a starter’s level. So to them, I think it’d be worth it to do. They’d get their starting quarterback, they know what he’s capable of doing, and they’ve seen him win games at the NFL level.” Other experts, meanwhile, aren’t sure Pioli would want to deal with his former boss right out of the gate. Some other teams figuring to make a pitch for Cassel include the New York Jets, Detroit, Minnesota, San Francisco, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Chicago. As for what Cassel would land in a trade, there were differing opinions. Miller, for one, thought he would cost a second-round draft choice. The decision to trade or keep Cassel will ultimately depend on Tom Brady [stats]’s health. While reports have him on target to play in the season opener, he still has a few hurdles to clear before that point following reconstructive surgery on his left knee and a subsequent staph infection. “I think a lot is going to depend on where Kevin O’Connell is in his development. If they feel they can move Matt to benefit their team, they’ll do it,” said Miller, a one-time Pats backup quarterback. “It’s rolling the dice on Tom and whether he’s healthy, and two, can they do it with Kevin O’Connell? The question they have to ask is if O’Connell is as capable of what they have in Matt Cassel?”
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