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Old 02-14-2024, 08:02 AM  
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Super Bowl 58 Mic'd Up
Tayshaun Gipson says Mahomes "is just regular, bro, and we're going to make his a$$ look regular." The same guy who dropped an easy INT in the NFCCG a few years back.




Trash talk between Kelce and Ward
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Old 02-14-2024, 09:41 AM   #16
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If you have 4 plays to score you are more likely to score than if you only have 3. That's just common sense. You don't need statistics to tell you that.
Sure. And having two possessions makes you more likely to win than the team that only gets one. Both of these are true, which is why the probabilities aren't as far off as you think.

In my opinion, the 9ers' fatal flaw was kicking the FG, not taking the ball first.
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Old 02-14-2024, 09:41 AM   #17
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Love the Travis vs Ward clip.
"You like it over there, huh?"

Goddamn guys - will you EVER learn? These dudes have rabbit ears. They always have. Mahomes and Kelce take notes. Constantly. And they are going to use those to fuel them.

"Mahomes is regular" is one thing - that's the kind of stuff Pat will internalize and use to motivate him. But man "Everything about being in SF is better than KC" is just a no-go, Charvarius. Because a guy like Kelce is going to use that to motivate EVERYONE. He's going to take that as a slight to every single one of his teammates and coaches.

I think Mahomes knows he has a bit of that Jordan pettiness where he makes mountains out of molehills to fire himself up. But g'damn man, you don't call out their organization, coaches or teammates like that because those dudes will make it their life's mission to feed it to you.

Kelce wanted Ward to know he heard that shit and that he was going to remind him of it.
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Old 02-14-2024, 09:43 AM   #18
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I get the reaction to Gipson, but it's not like he was saying that stuff at the podium or to the fans. He was just trying to hype his guys up. It didn't work, but I don't blame him for saying it.
Normally trash talk doesn’t bother me but this one struck a nerve.

I understand what you’re saying. It’s like a “We just made God bleed. We can do this.” but.. to say Mahomes is a regular QB? lol

Shades of Mccleon’s “Tom Brady.. overrated” on the sidelines of their Super Bowl.

It’s just doing too much.

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I was listening to KNBR on the drive home and one fool calls and it went on a rant lighting up the coach blaming him for not going for it on fourth down, knowing that Mahomes is on the other side and lighting him up for taking the ball first etc. yada yada yada what a bunch of pussies
What’s the issue here? Chiefs fans would be doing the same had we lost.

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While true, it's not as clear-cut as everyone's acting like it is. Everyone's using logic based on college rules, which works to some extent, but in the NFL's version, it becomes sudden death after both teams have touched the ball. So, for example, if the 9ers kicked a FG and they held the Chiefs to a FG, the 9ers would just need one more FG to win it.

We don't have any historical data to get a feel for the actual probabilities, but it's likely gonna be somewhere between 40-60% probabilities for either approach. I still think kicking is the way to go, but it's not the 30-70% variation people are acting like it is.
Agreed. You get the advantage of first possession in the case of sudden death. And up to that point, the only TD we had scored was on a fluke punt return fumble recovery. Why shouldn’t they have felt OK about their odds of stopping us from scoring a TD again?

You also get the benefit of resting your defense who was just on the field to end the game (though I know Shanahan says that didn’t factor into his decision).

There are pros and cons to either situation. I’m glad they chose to receive but don’t blame Shanny there at all.
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Old 02-14-2024, 09:46 AM   #19
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How many times did Elway do that to us?

Crush our souls like we did to Bosa. I know EXACTLY how he feels.
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Agreed. You get the advantage of first possession in the case of sudden death. And up to that point, the only TD we had scored was on a fluke punt return fumble recovery. Why shouldn’t they have felt OK about their odds of stopping us from scoring a TD again?

You also get the benefit of resting your defense who was just on the field to end the game (though I know Shanahan says that didn’t factor into his decision).

There are pros and cons to either situation. I’m glad they chose to receive but don’t blame Shanny there at all.
Yeah, that's another good point. Mahomes had just driven down the field with ease to end the 4th and probably would have scored the TD if it weren't for the clock running out on us. Their D was gassed.
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Old 02-14-2024, 09:48 AM   #21
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While true, it's not as clear-cut as everyone's acting like it is. Everyone's using logic based on college rules, which works to some extent, but in the NFL's version, it becomes sudden death after both teams have touched the ball. So, for example, if the 9ers kicked a FG and they held the Chiefs to a FG, the 9ers would just need one more FG to win it.

We don't have any historical data to get a feel for the actual probabilities, but it's likely gonna be somewhere between 40-60% probabilities for either approach. I still think kicking is the way to go, but it's not the 30-70% variation people are acting like it is.
At first, I thought they were crazy AF to take the ball. However, if you look at it from the perspective that they had just finished the game in regulation playing D on a drive they stopped inside their 10, they probably figured their D was physically cashed, and they wanted to give them more time to rest up. I'm not sure they'd admit to that, but I bet it went into the decision making. And honestly, the only part of their team in OT that still looked somewhat fresh was (remarkably) their DL. That back 7 looked physically smoked.

It's never a good idea to give the other team, especially Mahomes, the luxury of another down if the need it. But, I get what they may have been thinking.
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Old 02-14-2024, 09:52 AM   #22
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Yeah, that's another good point. Mahomes had just driven down the field with ease to end the 4th and probably would have scored the TD if it weren't for the clock running out on us. Their D was gassed.
So was our D. If we dont score a TD, they would be going against our gassed D with only a FG to win.
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Old 02-14-2024, 10:01 AM   #23
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I actually would have heavily considered going for it on 4th down if I were the 9r's. If the 9r's don't get the TD, and the Chiefs have the ball inside their own 10 yard line, the Chiefs would have had a completely different mentality on offense at that point. They are probably playing a little defense on offense, and they're certainly not going for 4th and 1 inside their own 35 yd line. I completely understand why the 9r's kicked the FG, but you could make a pretty solid case for going for it as well, especially when you didn't need a TD on that 4th down play, because a 1st down was still available.
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I agree you are stating facts but....

Giving Mahomes the ball with a chance to win the SB with a TD is not factored into those stats. Playoff Mahomes is a totally different beast and have no idea how you can factor in "Playoff Mahomes" into a number or percentage? But, I know I'd put my money on Playoff Mahomes.
There wasn't going to be second possession for the 49ers unless they could hold the Chiefs without scoring or force them to kick a field goal. The Chiefs were going for 2 if the situation arose.

The 49ers just failed to stop the Chiefs on a game tying drive. The clock was running out, so the Chiefs kicked a field goal to force OT. It was highly probable that Mahomes would do the same thing in OT. If ture, that would eliminate any possible advantage of taking the ball first.
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Anybody have the entire Super Bowl mic'd up?

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Inside the NFL on Netflix later today if you have access to that. I think we typically get the more "pure" version of mic'd up on YouTube later in the week.
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Old 02-14-2024, 10:39 AM   #29
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More Mic'd up stuff:

Bill Vinovich - 49ers need to come up with the best play in the book now. You don't want to give the ball back to Mahomes obviously
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