***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

South Korea and China are both locking back down in some respects after more cases emerged over the weekend. This is going to be the dance card until we get therapeutics and a vaccine.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I'm at a hospital right now and it's dead. Normally super packed. Eerie seeing things like this.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

My hospital is super quiet , we have cut hours etc.. event though we are still open for outpatient procedures, some of that has to do with patients not wanting to go anywhere near a hospital right now or the lockdowns doing its job but I wouldn't want to trade places with somebody at Toronto General ICU right now.

Toronto general has 417 beds with only 23 ICU beds + whatever they have in ER so yes a small portion of the hospital will be busy but allowing any other part of the hospital to get busy will put that small portion at increased risk of being overwhelmed , Pulmonologist and specialist and trained staff that can deal with this can't just be taken from other departments.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

We may as well shut them all down them since we don't look they are needed.

Fortunately locally we opened back up. I think I saw hospitals in Missouri lost 1 billion in April.

[limested]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

South Korea and China are both locking back down in some respects after more cases emerged over the weekend. This is going to be the dance card until we get therapeutics and a vaccine.

People keep talking about a vaccine for this. How many vaccines are currently in existence for any kind of Coronavirus?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Fortunately locally we opened back up. I think I saw hospitals in Missouri lost 1 billion in April.

Some people are saying Hospitals are making a big deal/pumping up the numbers etc.. I can't see hospitals doing that for the fact they would be making way more money without having to deal with these patients.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by limested

People keep talking about a vaccine for this. How many vaccines are currently in existence for any kind of Coronavirus?

They had some in the works for SARS but they were never pursued because it died out, we have had no other reason to create one before this.

I don't want to make it sound like I am for lockdowns I just don't want to have to go back to square one if we **** this up .

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by limested

People keep talking about a vaccine for this. How many vaccines are currently in existence for any kind of Coronavirus?

Do the research. 80% chance the Oxford vaccine works, plus there are many many other strong candidates, add in the slow mutation of this particular coronavirus and we will have a vaccine. The trick is getting it to 7 billion people before a meaningful mutation that renders it useless, although this is all logistics not science. The science to accomplish the vaccine according to top experts is done. Trials to prove they are safe and effective are underway. Best case scenario we get a patch or nasal administered vaccine by years end that doesn’t require refrigeration and can be mass produced.

[limested]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

Do the research. 80% the Oxford vaccine works, plus there are many many other strong candidates, add in the slow mutation of this particular coronavirus and we will have a vaccine. The trick is getting it to 7 billion people before a meaningful mutation that renders it useless, although this is all logistics not science. The science to accomplish the vaccine according to top experts is done. Trials to prove they are safe and effective are underway. Best case scenario we get a patch or nasal administered vaccine by years end that doesn’t require refrigeration and can be mass produced.

I really hope I never have to rely on your research since you are apparently bad at it. The Oxford trial was started two weeks ago so you cannot come to the conclusion that it is 80% effective.

That 80% is also a hopeful quote by one of the Professors not an actual success rate.

Professor Sarah Gilbert's team hopes for an 80 percent success rate, and plans to produce one million doses by September, with the aim of making it widely available by the autumn if successful.

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by limested

I really hope I never have to rely on your research since you are apparently bad at it. The Oxford trial was started two weeks ago so you cannot come to the conclusion that it is 80% effective.

That 80% is also a hopeful quote by one of the Professors not an actual success rate.

The researchers believe it has a 80% chance of success. I didn’t come to any conclusion it’s 80% effective, what a worthless ****ing vaccine. It’s also one of many underway.

Here’s a link to one of the researchers discussing it:

https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1258931205203877888?s=21

Now the research I think you need to do is in this thread. Watch the actual scientists who work on vaccines talk about the science of this particular coronavirus, I don’t have that link but it’s in here and it’s fascinating and very positive. The science on a vaccine is mostly if not all done. Now it’s proving safety and efficacy, then logistics and delivery. You can have a negative outlook all you want, the science says we are on our way to a vaccine.

[Kidd Lex]

More excellent research shared by contributors to this thread:

Fascinating lecture, shows promising reasons why “we’ve never had a coronavirus vaccine” is a poor argument:

https://youtu.be/xUuLDLY1wMU

Michael Farzan (SARS ACE2 discoverer) Scripps lecture:
HIV is a genius, Flu is an honors student, SARS-COV-2 "flunked Immunology 101." Exposes key antibody sites - very vulnerable to conventional vaccines. Evolves very slowly because genome so large. Vaccine today works tomorrow

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by limested

People keep talking about a vaccine for this. How many vaccines are currently in existence for any kind of Coronavirus?

Zero.

The human coronavirus was discovered 60 years ago and there has never been an effective/scalable vaccine developed.

SARS, MERS, the common cold... no scalable/effective vaccine and no vaccine that has ever been approved by the FDA.

[Mecca]

https://www.newsweek.com/nfl-coronav...spread-1503110

That's what I wanted to read this morning let me tell ya.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Mecca

https://www.newsweek.com/nfl-coronav...spread-1503110

That's what I wanted to read this morning let me tell ya.

"I would think that if there is an infected football player on the field—a middle linebacker, a tackle, whoever it is it—as soon as they hit the next guy, the chances are that they will be shedding virus all over that person. If you really want to be in a situation where you want to be absolutely certain, you'd test all the players before the game."

Sounds like a new penalty will have to be established.

"Intentional shedding! 15 yards!"

[Donger]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

More excellent research shared by contributors to this thread:

Fascinating lecture, shows promising reasons why “we’ve never had a coronavirus vaccine” is a poor argument:

https://youtu.be/xUuLDLY1wMU

Michael Farzan (SARS ACE2 discoverer) Scripps lecture:
HIV is a genius, Flu is an honors student, SARS-COV-2 "flunked Immunology 101." Exposes key antibody sites - very vulnerable to conventional vaccines. Evolves very slowly because genome so large. Vaccine today works tomorrow

Great link. Thanks for sharing that.

[SAUTO]

so... i guess no one wants to discuss the MLB tests now?