***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Ah, I am following most of the guidelines, dipstick. I don't have the virus. So I can't give it to anyone, because I don't have it to give, dipstick. Oh, and **** you too.

Because all of the 1.2 million confirmed cases in this country happened among people who already knew they were sick...

[eDave]

Originally Posted by wazu

Texas Roadhouse in Liberty opened up today for dine-in, so I had to check it out if for no other reason than to show support. They had what looked like well over half the tables closed down, and everybody wearing masks. Also if you are waiting for a table you sit in your car and they page you. The bar had 2 stools on each side (so six total). All of the staff seemed very upbeat and excited to be back in business. Food was good, service was good. The overall social distancing was 100x what is experienced at a grocery store right now.

(DISCLAIMER: When I inevitably die of Coronavirus it wasn't because of this visit so **** you for quoting this post if it happens.)

This doesn't sound very good at all. I'll dine at home vs. this.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

It serves no one to lie about it now.

The point has been clearly laid out from the beginning. It has been restated on here time and time again, regardless of how far you want to plunge your head in the sand. You lockdown to prevent overwhelming the system and after you have two weeks of declining caseloads you ease up, but keep mitigation and distancing strategies to ensure that R(e) is less than 1.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Because all of the 1.2 million confirmed cases in this country happened among people who already knew they were sick...

I've been tested and came up negative. I've got a clean bill of health. I mentioned that in my first post in this thread, IIRC.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The point has been clearly laid out from the beginning. It has been restated on here time and time again, regardless of how far you want to plunge your head in the sand. You lockdown to prevent overwhelming the system and after you have two weeks of declining caseloads you ease up, but keep mitigation and distancing strategies to ensure that R(e) is less than 1.

The bolded part was added well after the lock down was implemented that was supposed to last 2 weeks.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

I've been tested and came up negative. I've got a clean bill of health. I mentioned that in my first post in this thread, IIRC.

And all of those people who have since been infected were previously negative, too.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And all of those people who have since been infected were previously negative, too.

Well, of course they were. Unless they were born with it.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That has never been point, ever.

You sure about that?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ad/5021564002/

“Even if we can’t change the total number of people who are going to be infected, by keeping the total numbers low at any given time, that dramatically improves our ability to cope with the outbreak and in particular to provide care for the people who are going to be severely ill," Emily Gurley, an associate scientist in the Department of Epidemiology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told USA TODAY.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

The bolded part was added well after the lock down was implemented that was supposed to last 2 weeks.

(sigh)

I could post the Bill Gates interview from early March again to prove this isn't true, but everyone seems to ignore it for some reason.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The point has been clearly laid out from the beginning. It has been restated on here time and time again, regardless of how far you want to plunge your head in the sand. You lockdown to prevent overwhelming the system and after you have two weeks of declining caseloads you ease up, but keep mitigation and distancing strategies to ensure that R(e) is less than 1.

That was never, ever stated. It was you lock down to prevent overwhelming the system. There was no talk of decreased case load or it would have been you lock down until the case load goes down.

Those are two entirely separate things and separate goals. And they are not mutually exclusive.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by eDave

This doesn't sound very good at all. I'll dine at home vs. this.

It would be better if they open up fully and lose the masks. However, it actually was a fun experience.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The point has been clearly laid out from the beginning. It has been restated on here time and time again, regardless of how far you want to plunge your head in the sand. You lockdown to prevent overwhelming the system and after you have two weeks of declining caseloads you ease up, but keep mitigation and distancing strategies to ensure that R(e) is less than 1.

I'm not going to belabor this, because I just don't have the passion to put up with people much anymore.

But I know that that the prevention of overwhelming the system was highly stressed, and the matter of the length of the lockdown was avoided, BECAUSE I ASKED. And I know why it's been evaded, it's speculative and even the speculation hasn't moved from an estimate of months, perhaps more than a year, . . . at least so far as meeting the metrics of 'safe resume' is concerned.

Just don't lie. We [the royal we] mentioned generalities about resumption but we predicated quarantine on avoiding medical services being overwhelmed. And the generalities about resumption are and have always been about avoiding 'when do we come out of a bunker' because we're scared to admit 'not for a good while.'

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And all of those people who have since been infected were previously negative, too.

Which is exactly why testing is a bit overrated unless you intend to lock everyone down retain their stasis until literally everyone has been tested.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Which is exactly why testing is a bit overrated unless you intend to lock everyone down retain their stasis until literally everyone has been tested.

Testing is one of the reasons why we are watching Korean baseball on espn instead of American .

[Spott]

Originally Posted by wazu

It would be better if they open up fully and lose the masks. However, it actually was a fun experience.

So no peanuts, but did they at least do the rolls with butter?