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Old 11-28-2019, 06:55 PM  
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Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes?
We are starting to see some people saying Josh Allen is/will be better than Patrick Mahomes. I think it’s ridiculous, but there are people that feel that way. I was wondering if anyone here would choose Josh over Mahomes. So the choice is simple: who would you rather have as QB for the next 12 years? Allen Or Mahomes?
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Old 10-20-2020, 10:32 AM   #271
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He missed alot of pretty routine throws.
You'll have to show me because that's not how I remember it at all.

He had two glaring misses: The first down pass to his RB and the overthrow on the post in the end zone.
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Old 10-20-2020, 10:35 AM   #272
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You'll have to show me because that's not how I remember it at all.

He had two glaring misses: The first down pass to his RB and the overthrow on the post in the end zone.
There was an easy third down throw over the middle to Beasley he missed that would have kept a drive alive. Another one to Diggs that was way off.

I'll go back and watch later.
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Old 10-20-2020, 10:42 AM   #273
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You'll have to show me because that's not how I remember it at all.

He had two glaring misses: The first down pass to his RB and the overthrow on the post in the end zone.
They highlighted all of them during the half time show. It was the focal point of their discussion.
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Old 10-20-2020, 11:06 AM   #274
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I agree with that. The one thing I think they do get right is weighting yardage different. Gaining 5 on 3 and 5 should be more important than gaining 5 on 3 and 10. I guess it's better to stick with the eye test and take the experts numbers with a grain of salt.
ESPN QBR usually matches pretty good with the eye test. This time they messed it up. I think the grade for Mahomes is very fair. He was pretty good but not perfect. The Allen grade is about 20-30 points higher than it should be. He was a contributing factor in their loss and he admitted this in the press conference.
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Old 10-20-2020, 02:23 PM   #275
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You'll have to show me because that's not how I remember it at all.

He had two glaring misses: The first down pass to his RB and the overthrow on the post in the end zone.
He had 3 or 4 more passes that were a good 2 feet too high. He had a half dozen truly errant throws.
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Old 10-20-2020, 02:24 PM   #276
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ESPN QBR usually matches pretty good with the eye test. This time they messed it up. I think the grade for Mahomes is very fair. He was pretty good but not perfect. The Allen grade is about 20-30 points higher than it should be. He was a contributing factor in their loss and he admitted this in the press conference.
Yep.
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Old 10-20-2020, 03:40 PM   #277
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I was chatting with a friend & it dawned on both of us that the AFC is taking over for future QB's in the NFL.

Mahomes
Watson
Allen
Jackson
Burrow
Herbert
Tua

The Jets will probably end up with the 1st pick which they will use to get Trevor Lawrence.
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Old 10-20-2020, 03:47 PM   #278
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He had 3 or 4 more passes that were a good 2 feet too high. He had a half dozen truly errant throws.
You don't feel the bad weather conditions had anything to do with it?
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You don't feel the bad weather conditions had anything to do with it?
Of course it did. But to say he only had 2 bad throws isn't accurate.
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Old 10-20-2020, 03:56 PM   #280
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Of course it did. But to say he only had 2 bad throws isn't accurate.
True. Allen threw several passes that were just puzzling. Not just the accuracy, but the trajectories and velocities were often . . . not receiver-friendly. He seems to have a hard time with touch. A lot of his passes are missiles that just make catching it a lot harder. Then add in the inaccuracy issues, bad timing or whatever . . .
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Old 10-20-2020, 03:58 PM   #281
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Old 10-20-2020, 04:04 PM   #282
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True. Allen threw several passes that were just puzzling. Not just the accuracy, but the trajectories and velocities were often . . . not receiver-friendly. He seems to have a hard time with touch. A lot of his passes are missiles that just make catching it a lot harder. Then add in the inaccuracy issues, bad timing or whatever . . .
Yeah, he's got a cannon but he's like a fastball pitcher, he doesn't have a great change-up.
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I agree.

In general, I find ESPN QBR to be about the best rating system out there for QB's. Last night wasn't a great one though.
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Old 10-20-2020, 04:51 PM   #284
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