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Tesla unveil Semi, new Roadster, & also teased a "pickup truck"
Anyone watch the unveil last night?
The numbers on the semi destroyed what anyone thought possible. - 0-60 in 5 sec - 0-60 in 20 sec under max gross payload of 80k lbs - 65mph up 5% grade under max lied, compared to 45mph for ICE semi - 500 mile range - 400 miles of additional range after 30 min charge - Guaranteed 7¢/kWh fuel cost(solar) compared to volatile oil - Nuclear explosion proof glass(apparently cracked windshield takes semi off road) - 1 million mile guarantee it won't breakdown - Will never need a brake change - "Impossible" to jacknife - Beats semis on economics day 1 - In convoy mode, beats rail on economics 300 miles of range: $150,000 500 miles of range: $180,000 Founders series: $200,000 https://youtu.be/CBTQnmUolas The Roadster was a complete surprise, and the numbers given destroy any production car you can think of, even a Koenisegg. - 0-60 in 1.9 sec (this is faster than most Formula 1 cars) - 0-100 in 4.2 - 1/4 mile in 8.9 sec - 250+ mph top speed - 621 mile range (That's Kansas City to Denver without fueling) - 10,000 nm torque and that's the base model. Starting at $200k and Founders series at $250k. Destroys million dollar cars. Also teased a rendering image of a consumer pickup truck with a normal truck in the bed. https://youtu.be/5n9xafjynJA Last edited by aturnis; 11-23-2017 at 02:02 AM.. |
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07-19-2018, 08:00 PM | #271 |
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I actually think if Tesla makes it the next say 5 years, maybe 10, most of those other car manufacturers won’t exist anymore.
The day of the internal combustion engine, and the car we have to drive, are ending very soon. Which sounds crazy, but if you’d told anyone about an iPhone in 1990 nobody would have believed it was possible. |
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07-19-2018, 08:13 PM | #272 | |
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I guess to clarify on my above comment, I fully expect other manufacturers to release legit e-cars in the coming years. It's the "Telsa goes under because of it" narrative that I think is really hard to believe if you really pay attention to the nuts and bolts (or electrons and atoms more accurately) of all of this. |
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07-19-2018, 08:25 PM | #273 | |
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07-19-2018, 08:36 PM | #274 |
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If acceleration is where you get hung up, you clearly haven't been paying attention. It's relatively easy to make an electric car that can burn a gas car 0-60. The hard part if you're talking about racing is making one that can sustain 100+ mph speeds without overheating.
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07-19-2018, 08:58 PM | #275 |
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You know both of these things currently exist and are being tested/driven daily right?
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07-19-2018, 09:52 PM | #276 | |
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Maybe Uber/Lyft, will work, but if you want to tip the scales on fossil fuel consumption, it needs to be in trucks and trucks can't break down. They just ****ing can't. |
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07-19-2018, 10:34 PM | #278 |
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Of course you could do like all the other OEMs who are feverishly trying to play catchup, and use lightweight prismatic cells. Problem with that is, while they make production/range/cooling/etc easier, they result in a shit product.(that expensive battery pack that'll need replaced after 10 years you always heard about). This will result in lemons that will kill consumer confidence in existing OEMs. Quote:
On top of that, multiple countries have set drop dead dates for internal combustion engine sales. China is full throttle in on electric and India's not far behind. If you're out of those markets, you may as well consider yourself a boutique auto manufacturer. As for adaptation, that's for the existing OEMs to worry about. Tesla is fine, China has 487 electric car manufactures and the field is racing to the finish to play catchup. Not sure the point about "trucks can't break down". Electric should pretty much always be more reliable than combustion. Cars and trucks today have become Rube Goldberg machines. Very few run at engineered efficiency. All that complexity creates too many points of failure. |
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07-20-2018, 12:08 AM | #280 | |
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Also, Teslas products have great margins. MUCH better than industry average. They just invest >100% back into the company. The Silicon Valley model may not be for other OEMs, then again, they have fully deployed manufacturing capacity and haven't really done much innovating since electronic fuel injection. I'll never understand the "Tesla will die" argument. First, the tax incentives are icing, obviously not necessary given their customer bases willingness to shell out huge sums of cash for the cars. Other OEMs might have that problem as they don't offer much else beyond transportation, but Teslas will become a value proposition. 20 years ago nobody thought they'd ever spend $600-800 on a phone, or $2,000 on a TV, but here we are. Mostly though, it's that the private investors who have already committed billions aren't going to let Tesla sink with nearly $25 billion in reservations sitting on the table. Not to mention that Tesla hasn't even begun to leverage all of its assets at this point. Tesla also has a lower debt to equity ratio than the industry average. Ford on the other hand is nearly double average. |
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07-20-2018, 06:57 AM | #281 | |
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Fastest adoption will be public sector. They want EVs and driverless on the roads yesterday. EVs will save a shitload on public transit gas costs and driverless may take a while for actual public transit, but will be huge for "last mile" type transit. Commercially, I agree... transport will take a while especially considering unions, but there are a ton of commercial operations where a driverless off-road vehicle would have huge value with minimal risk. But Uber/Lyft are really what tipped the scales. Big Auto is working with them, not against them. They're extremely motivated to get EVs and eventually driverless on the roads for practical business reasons. The reason Uber/Lyft and public transit is important isn't mass adoption. It's that it motivates scalability. EVs' biggest obstacle by a mile today is scale. Scale means more charging stations, an innovation arms race, and investors taking bigger and bolder risks. More importantly, scale will ultimately create more charging stations and cheaper prices, which will be huge for adoption. |
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07-20-2018, 09:34 AM | #283 | |
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Only that car today will be electric. That's going to create a huge mental shift in future generations. Change like this is always slowly, then suddenly. One day everyone is making fun of the new thing, and the next day it seems they're gone. Look at how Blackberry treated the iPhone... |
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07-20-2018, 09:37 AM | #284 |
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Also, there are only 2 car brands I've ever had the experience of every single person that owns one loves them. You never hear people say they were happy when they sold them.
Porsche. And Tesla. People underestimate that, or try to dismiss it as being sheep. At least with Tesla, nobody really thinks of sheep when you think of a Porsche owner. |
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“If you were hoping Tesla would fail on account of the Model 3 I’ve got bad news: This thing is magnificent” "The Model 3 is more than futuristic. It's optimistic. This is what ordinary cars should be, which is to say, better than they are. "This thing is magnificent, a little rainbow-farting space ship..." https://www.wsj.com/articles/first-e...vel-1532022533 |
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