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Old 04-05-2017, 10:55 AM  
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Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

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Old 06-25-2017, 01:32 PM   #2821
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If not for trades, the Royals would have never been in a position to be World Series team.

Greinke trade: Cain, Escobar, Jeffress and Odorizzi

Wil Myers & Jake Odorizzi: Wade Davis, James Shields

If the Royals are in first place or within striking distance of the WC, I don't expect them to trade anyone.

Time will tell.
You don't get packages like those for half season rentals. They just don't compare to the Royals current situation.
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Old 06-25-2017, 01:40 PM   #2822
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You don't get packages like those for half season rentals. They just don't compare to the Royals current situation.
That wasn't my point
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Old 06-25-2017, 01:57 PM   #2823
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I find it amusing that people think selling is some guaranteed way to ensure success, as if guys you trade for will automatically be good. All you have to do is get into the postseason. This isn't football where one player determines the outcome or where undeserving teams make the playoffs. Every team has a legitimate chance to win once the playoffs start.
Especially considering the Royals were practically in rebuilding mode for 25+ years. Making a playoff push might feel like instant gratification to risk planning for the future, but everyone knows the window is closing at the end of this season. Outside of a 3+ week slide, I say go for it and make the most of this window of opportunity.
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Old 06-25-2017, 02:04 PM   #2824
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I guess if watching the Blue Jays play defense doesn't give you an even better appreciation for what Escobar does in the field, which balances out the not-even-that-terrible .265 in June, nothing will.
Escobar was fantastic in the ALCS, but it's time to part ways after this season. Even if he is cheap. We have tons of middle infielders coming up and Mondesi is progressing nicely. He's been horrible in the majors (I've been critical of the club rushing him up for no real reason). I don't fault him for those struggles at all. He's supposed to struggle being as young as he is and thrown to the wolves. He was always supposed to be ready in 2018. That still looks to be the case. I'm finally willing to cut ties with Escobar completely by the end of July if Mondesi is still hitting in AAA.

Escobar has been one of the worst everyday players in baseball now for 2.5 years. At now 30 years old, it's not going to get any better for him.
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Old 06-25-2017, 02:49 PM   #2825
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Escobar was fantastic in the ALCS, but it's time to part ways after this season. Even if he is cheap. We have tons of middle infielders coming up and Mondesi is progressing nicely. He's been horrible in the majors (I've been critical of the club rushing him up for no real reason). I don't fault him for those struggles at all. He's supposed to struggle being as young as he is and thrown to the wolves. He was always supposed to be ready in 2018. That still looks to be the case. I'm finally willing to cut ties with Escobar completely by the end of July if Mondesi is still hitting in AAA.

Escobar has been one of the worst everyday players in baseball now for 2.5 years. At now 30 years old, it's not going to get any better for him.
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Old 06-25-2017, 03:41 PM   #2826
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Okay, time to flush this awful game and move on. Huge series vs Detroit. We are clearly the underdog in two of these games. Norris vs Kennedy is at best, a push. Must keep winning series. Can Strahm and Junis carry the load this week?
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Old 06-25-2017, 05:35 PM   #2827
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Okay, time to flush this awful game and move on. Huge series vs Detroit. We are clearly the underdog in two of these games. Norris vs Kennedy is at best, a push. Must keep winning series. Can Strahm and Junis carry the load this week?

vs Detroit's two best pitchers.

Just need to keep winning series but a sweep vs the Twinks would be awesome.


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Old 06-25-2017, 07:21 PM   #2828
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Just watched the 60 Minutes piece on him. Amazing.

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Old 06-25-2017, 08:23 PM   #2829
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We've been playing against a stacked deck this year from Umps. PitchFx data shows how many missed ball/strike calls there are. Look at Cleveland and then look at us:




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Per GameDay, home plate umpire John Tumpane missed 15 strikes today while Royals pitchers were on the mound. Fifteen. Wow.
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Old 06-25-2017, 09:01 PM   #2830
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Per GameDay, home plate umpire John Tumpane missed 15 strikes today while Royals pitchers were on the mound. Fifteen. Wow.

7:20 PM · Jun 25, 2017

He was pathetic & cost the Royals the game.


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Old 06-26-2017, 06:04 AM   #2831
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Per GameDay, home plate umpire John Tumpane missed 15 strikes today while Royals pitchers were on the mound. Fifteen. Wow.

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That was one of the worst performances I have seen from an umpire. I don't know if it was bias, or just gross incompetence, but it was pathetic.


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Old 06-26-2017, 06:10 AM   #2832
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Also: this weekend series great example of why I always take run differential with a grain of salt.

The Royals won the series 2-1 but were -4 in run differential. Run differential hard cores - often stats-first and only guys - would tell you posting a .667 winning percentage with a -4 RD is luck.

Does anyone think the Royals were actually outperformed in that series?

I'll look up the total RD for May and June at some point today. I believe it will be negative for KC despite a record that is 10 games over .500 in that span.

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Old 06-26-2017, 07:34 AM   #2833
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Also: this weekend series great example of why I always take run differential with a grain of salt.

The Royals won the series 2-1 but were -4 in run differential. Run differential hard cores - often stats-first and only guys - would tell you posting a .667 winning percentage with a -4 RD is luck.

Does anyone think the Royals were actually outperformed in that series?

I'll look up the total RD for May and June at some point today. I believe it will be negative for KC despite a record that is 10 games over .500 in that span.

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Royals were 15-14 in May with a RD of (-16). 15-7 so far in June with a RD of (+16).

So 30-21 over the months of May and June with a RD that comes out exactly as 0.

So, yes, RD can be a misleading stat. I think one thing that tells us is that the Royals win more 'close' games than their opponents. And when they do lose, it tends to be by more than a couple runs . . . .
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Old 06-26-2017, 07:38 AM   #2834
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Royals were 15-14 in May with a RD of (-16). 15-7 so far in June with a RD of (+16).

So 30-21 over the months of May and June with a RD that comes out exactly as 0.

So, yes, RD can be a misleading stat. I think one thing that tells us is that the Royals win more 'close' games than their opponents. And when they do lose, it tends to be by more than a couple runs . . . .
What we are essentially calling the "Chris Young Factor".
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Royals were 15-14 in May with a RD of (-16). 15-7 so far in June with a RD of (+16).



So 30-21 over the months of May and June with a RD that comes out exactly as 0.



So, yes, RD can be a misleading stat. I think one thing that tells us is that the Royals win more 'close' games than their opponents. And when they do lose, it tends to be by more than a couple runs . . . .

Thanks. I do wonder if there is a way to adjust or improve the metric ... perhaps by excluding outliers or capping the "credit" you can get for a single win. A blowout cap... capping it at 5-7 runs would probably adjust the stat a little more realistically.

The statistic will always skew towards teams with high-powered offenses because those will do more damage against the types of pitchers used in blowouts, but a run cap might make it more realistic.


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