***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

That makes no sense, the idea is to protect others from you iof you are a carrier not the other way around. I've read the mask does no good protecting you from others.

If you happen to contaminate the inside of your mask then put it on , your are putting yourself at higher risk , always better to leave it in place,

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Anyone else noticed people driving down the road in their cars by themselves wearing a mask?

I've seen it several times recently.

I laugh every time.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by TLO

And finally, in your daily dose of pig plant news

So that's what, 17% ish that were asymptomatic?

Now give us the totals for the symptomatic cases.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

So I guess one of the small burger places that just opened had 11 people inside so someone actually called the ****ing cops........get the **** out of here with that shit

Someone called the cops here last week on the 2 highway patrolmen who were sitting inside pizza hut eating.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

I can't find the article, but I remember DeWine dropping the mask requirement in Ohio because it was causing problems for employees. People were threatening violence, etc.

I'm sure you read about the security guard that was murdered because he wouldn't allow a customer inside the store unless they wore a mask.

People are selfish and uneducated.

Correct. Dewine dropped the mask mandate due to pressure from a pretty small group of protestors. His approval rate has been 80%+. But he is very very vocal about making sure everyone knows wearing mask while not mandatory is a very very good idea.

I get if people don't want to wear masks all the time. It just defies logic to me that the same people who demand employees go back to work are the same people totally resistant to measures to keep those employees as safe as possible once they return. I support smart reopening of America and don't understand why anyone who wants that wants to die on the hill of not wearing a mask for a few minutes when you're inside a business.

we'll see how this reopening looks when customers and employees get the disease in the course of business. Businesses may be open but they're exposed to an insane amount of liability.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It's both. It works very well for protecting others. It works OK, but not great, for protecting yourself.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...e-covering.pdf

Here is a CDC guideline covering some of what you listed before. Honestly it makes the mask sound like more of a risk than a benefit.

[Al Bundy]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Anyone else noticed people driving down the road in their cars by themselves wearing a mask?

I've seen it several times recently.

Yep and it is dangerous.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...e-covering.pdf

Here is a CDC guideline covering some of what you listed before. Honestly it makes the mask sound like more of a risk than a benefit.

Used correctly it can help , the issue is the average person doesn't use it properly (treated as sterile) hence why the initial recommendation they would not be a benefit, but with the asymptomatic spread they figured if you can get more people to wear masks it will increase the chance affected people will have them reducing shedding into the environment.

[Donger]

Masks don't do jack shit. Stop listening to the media!

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Don't get me started....Wife wants other things first

That's frustrating, my wife told me to go ahead and buy it with the one sl's so it's all installed now and everything it's kickass.

[Mecca]

I like the people that wear masks then move them when they talk, how is that helpful?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I like the people that wear masks then move them when they talk, how is that helpful?

not covering your nose with it seems popular, heard a story where clerk had cut out a hole to breath easier.

[petegz28]

BTW AirBNB announced they are laying off 1,900 employees and Norwegian Cruise Lines is close to shutting down for good.

[petegz28]

And I believe United Airlines is laying off 25% of their workforce by Oct. 1.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And I believe United Airlines is laying off 25% of their workforce by Oct. 1.

I'm surprised they haven't already. What do they have people doing right now?