***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Cholorquine phosphate could possibly decrease viral load even with reduced dosages but doesn't yield shorter hospitalization periods.

HCQ study in Spain seems to suggest further study on its efficacy.

Switzerland's lockdown efforts tentatively yields an R0 in the .6 to .8 range.

UVB treatments suggest a relationship between C-19 and Vitamin D deficiencies.

I'll leave those to Hamas.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by stevieray

You better hope it does or get ready to watch Municipalities go broke.

Of course I hope it does. I hope the virus moves toward a less virulent strain, or we come up with a better treatment plan to reduce deaths. Who doesn't hope that? That's ridiculous.

The reality that existed before this thing was never going to continue. I said that two months ago. Some people have a hard time accepting that, and I get that. It sucks. But it's reality.

But at the same time, we came out of the 1918 flu and had the roaring 20s. This isn't the end of the world, and we'll rebuild the areas that collapse. But it's going to be a painful road. And everyone can bicker as much as they want, it's not going to get back to "normal" until people can go outside and not be worried about catching this thing. That's the long and short of it.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That's life. But I can tell you what will happen if they get shut down. That was the entire argument to begin with on why it is easier to buy into the economic models.

Wouldn't reinvesting into your restaurant to have it closed down later worse? or waiting an extra month before doing it.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

People aren't going to die of starvation because they can't get a Double at Wendy's for a few weeks. Jesus Christ.

The Spicy Chicken sandwich is their best menu item anyway.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by tk13

But at the same time, we came out of the 1918 flu and had the roaring 20s. This isn't the end of the world, and we'll rebuild the areas that collapse.

Yeah, no.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Now take the converse which I believe is what started this entire thing. Can you forecast how much revenue you will have and how many employees you will have if you have to shut down?

Not sure what you're asking. Are you implying it's zero?

And regardless, there are probably at least 15-20 different variables that would predict how an individual restaurant is able to perform. Now extrapolate that to hundreds of thousands of restaurants, most of which we don't know much about to fill in those 15-20 variables. Now extrapolate that to 40-50 different industries, and try and build a model that is accurate in forecasting the economy as a whole.

It's not easy. If it were, someone would do it and get rich in timing the stock market.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Wouldn't reinvesting into your restaurant to have it closed down later worse? or waiting an extra month before doing it.

WHAT? Do you understand what it is you are saying or are you just being obtuse? Using your logic, which is completely based in fear, there is no point in re-opening any business at all because it might not stay open.

[O.city]

The vitamin D thing is interesting. There's some evidence there atleast.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Not sure what you're asking. Are you implying it's zero?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

The Spicy Chicken sandwich is their best menu item anyway.

Yea their chicken is pretty good.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Yeah, no.

You don't think we're going to recover from this?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

The vitamin D thing is interesting. There's some evidence there atleast.

Got milk??????

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

The Spicy Chicken sandwich is their best menu item anyway.

I have actually been eating better since the lockdown, we only have McDonalds and A&W here and haven't eating at either since, Pizza once a week though .

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That's life. But I can tell you what will happen if they get shut down. That was the entire argument to begin with on why it is easier to buy into the economic models.

Did you manage to buy your playbar while it was on sale?

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by O.city

The vitamin D thing is interesting. There's some evidence there atleast.

Talk that talk!