***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Dr. Armstrong who is a Director of a nursing home said they actually say positive results with HCQ but you have to start when the symptoms are mild and that too many of the treatments were at the hospital when it was essentially too late. Not sure what the "clinical tests" did but there appears to be a growing population of doctors that support HCQ.

Take it for what it's worth.

Unless they can prove it changes the mortality rate , i am not sure giving a potentially dangerous drug for some people that helps mild symptoms is good medicine without knowing if they could have recovered equally without the drug in the first place.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I just heard that the Governors in CA and MD banned all protests? Are you ****ing serious? Sorry, don't want to get political but you cannot do that.

Sure you can. Just ask China.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I just heard that the Governors in CA and MD banned all protests? Are you ****ing serious? Sorry, don't want to get political but you cannot do that.

Can they still protest while keeping social distancing?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Can they still protest while keeping social distancing?

I don't know but I don't think it's legal either way. We are going to get into politics here if we keep going but needless to say I think that's the kind of shit that's going to cause more harm than good.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Unless they can prove it changes the mortality rate , i am not sure giving a potentially dangerous drug for some people that helps mild symptoms is good medicine without knowing if they could have recovered equally without the drug in the first place.

I keep hearing it's dangerous but none of these doctors are having these cardiac issues. I don't know what the answer is but it seems the doctors on the ground are telling a different story than what we are hearing.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Can they still protest while keeping social distancing?

Thought they figured that one out already . . .

[petegz28]

All right, all right. I didn't mean to steer this towards politics. Just found that rather shocking. We can take this to DC if we want.

[arrowheadnation]

Well shit. When it rains it pours. My received a phone call that my dad was admitted to the hospital with a mass on one of his kidneys. I'm not allowed to see him until tomorrow morning, but I assume cancer will be involved. If you have an extra prayer in you tonight, the family would appreciate it.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by arrowheadnation

Well shit. When it rains it pours. My received a phone call that my dad was admitted to the hospital with a mass on one of his kidneys. I'm not allowed to see him until tomorrow morning, but I assume cancer will be involved. If you have an extra prayer in you tonight, the family would appreciate it.

Crossing my fingers

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by arrowheadnation

Well shit. When it rains it pours. My received a phone call that my dad was admitted to the hospital with a mass on one of his kidneys. I'm not allowed to see him until tomorrow morning, but I assume cancer will be involved. If you have an extra prayer in you tonight, the family would appreciate it.

Sorry to hear that. I know it sounds kinda dickish and I don't mean it that way but be glad you get to see him at all. A lot of hospitals are not allowing any kind of visitors. A friend of the family had a stroke this past week and his Wife was never allowed in any of the hospitals at all. I hope everything comes out for the best.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by arrowheadnation

Well shit. When it rains it pours. My received a phone call that my dad was admitted to the hospital with a mass on one of his kidneys. I'm not allowed to see him until tomorrow morning, but I assume cancer will be involved. If you have an extra prayer in you tonight, the family would appreciate it.

Prayers sent.

[BleedingRed]

I wanna make this clear the experts are saying millions are going to get this or already have regardless.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I wanna make this clear the experts are saying millions are going to get this or already have regardless.

Well that's the dirty little secret that they shouted at us that we all ignored, right? I mean the whole curve flattening thing was never to reduce cases but to spread then out so hospitals would not be overrun. We were going to get the same cases overall but they chose to spread them out over a longer period of time is all.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I wanna make this clear the experts are saying millions are going to get this or already have regardless.

We will have a better idea once they star use an antibodies test with a lower rate of false positives, we have more than some are saying and less than others it will be somewhere in the middle again.

People are not going to get the definitive answers we are looking for at this point in time.

[DaneMcCloud]

JFC, all it takes is a one second google search to find out that the California Highway Patrol said that it would stop granting permits for protests on state property due to health reasons, TWO WEEKS AGO.

Newsom didn’t “ban” protests.