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**Saulbadguy** · 09-12-2011, 07:57 AM

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

NewChief · 10-04-2011, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian

It's really only about 6 1/2 hours from Columbia to Lexington....a 7 hour drive to Nashville...

Yeah. Vandy and Kentucky aren't real exciting opponents in football just yet, though things could change.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-04-2011, 07:32 PM

Mizzou already has a nice pipeline in Texas. Establishing one in Florida while keeping more of the in-state talent in place will definitely help to solidify the program, although I bet many of the KC recruits will be a tradeoff of this move.

NewChief · 10-04-2011, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

That's what I don't understand, the people who argue these Big XII teams going to the SEC will hurt their recruiting. I don't think it's going to hurt it at all. Yeah maybe you had a couple less Texas players, I guess. But I think this whole idea of moving to the SEC hurting any team's recruiting is absurd to me.

Certainly won't hurt in football as SEC stock is high. Of course that could all change in the future

**KcMizzou** · 10-04-2011, 07:36 PM

I'm sorry, I can't help myself.

bobfescoe Bob Fescoe
Those that think KU doesn't have options beyond the big 12 remember they took home the most money in 09-10 in the big 12.

bobfescoe Bob Fescoe
Just because u have not heard anything about KU doesn't mean there is nothing going on.

**Saul Good** · 10-04-2011, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Mizzou already has a nice pipeline in Texas. Establishing one in Florida while keeping more of the in-state talent in place will definitely help to solidify the program, although I bet many of the KC recruits will be a tradeoff of this move.

There is now a wall around the state of Missouri.

HolyHandgernade · 10-04-2011, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

AAU schools in the SEC: 4

AAU schools in the Big XII: 2

Even a Big XII member knows that 4 > 2.

Well, technically, there are 3 in the Big XII, if we are assuming MU is gone and while 4 is still greater than 3, you can represent that argument in different ways such as:

1/4 of the Big XII are AAU

2/7 of the SEC are AAU

1/4 is greater than 2/7

Of course, that will change depending on who, if anyone, the Big XII brings in.

Mosbonian · 10-04-2011, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief

Yeah. Vandy and Kentucky aren't real exciting opponents in football just yet, though things could change.

Yeah...but MU could travel well to those spots without any difficulty. Especially for the fans in STL. It becomes an even shorter drive.

I still laugh at Neinas' comments about the Big 12 opponents being closer.

**Saul Good** · 10-04-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

I'm sorry, I can't help myself.

bobfescoe Bob Fescoe
Those that think KU doesn't have options beyond the big 12 remember they took home the most money in 09-10 in the big 12.

bobfescoe Bob Fescoe
Just because u have not heard anything about KU doesn't mean there is nothing going on.

KU to the Sun Belt FTW!

eazyb81 · 10-04-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief

Certainly won't hurt in football as SEC stock is high. Of course that could all change in the future

What won't change is the overflow of talent coming from the states of Texas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, South Carolina, Alabama, etc. The SEC is set-up to dominate for the foreseeable future simply due to supply.

KChiefs1 · 10-04-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Mizzou already has a nice pipeline in Texas. Establishing one in Florida while keeping more of the in-state talent in place will definitely help to solidify the program, although I bet many of the KC recruits will be a tradeoff of this move.

Love the thought of getting some of those FL athletes to go with the TX ones! SEC speed baby!

**Saul Good** · 10-04-2011, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

Well, technically, there are 3 in the Big XII, if we are assuming MU is gone and while 4 is still greater than 3, you can represent that argument in different ways such as:

1/3 of the Big XII are AAU

2/7 of the SEC are AAU

1/3 is greater than 2/7

Of course, that will change depending on who, if anyone, the Big XII brings in.

However you spin it, the academic argument is reeruned. Vandy is the best school in either conference, and the SEC hasn't hurt them any. Mizzou is still an AAU member, so we're fine. I'm pretty sure that Texas Tech and Oklahoma State didn't bring a lot of academic panache, anyway.

HolyHandgernade · 10-04-2011, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

However you spin it, the academic argument is reeruned. Vandy is the best school in either conference, and the SEC hasn't hurt them any. Mizzou is still an AAU member, so we're fine. I'm pretty sure that Texas Tech and Oklahoma State didn't bring a lot of academic panache, anyway.

I agree, and I think my math is wrong anyway!

ChiefsCountry · 10-04-2011, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Mizzou already has a nice pipeline in Texas. Establishing one in Florida while keeping more of the in-state talent in place will definitely help to solidify the program, although I bet many of the KC recruits will be a tradeoff of this move.

Don't forget about Memphis.

KChiefs1 · 10-04-2011, 07:43 PM

So MU's division will be:

Missouri
Arkansas
LSU
Texas A&M
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Alabama

Correct?

Ebolapox · 10-04-2011, 07:43 PM

09-12-2011, 07:57 AM
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Saulbadguy's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2003	New Conference re-alignment thread The old one has AIDS. Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month. Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com. Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said. The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said. Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned. If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday. There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12. Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative. Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division. Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox). If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form. Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options." Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas. Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas. There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits. Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC. It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools. Stay tuned.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! 'Hamas' Jenkins's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2006	Mizzou already has a nice pipeline in Texas. Establishing one in Florida while keeping more of the in-state talent in place will definitely help to solidify the program, although I bet many of the KC recruits will be a tradeoff of this move.
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KcMizzou Supporter KcMizzou's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Parkville MO	I'm sorry, I can't help myself. bobfescoe Bob Fescoe Those that think KU doesn't have options beyond the big 12 remember they took home the most money in 09-10 in the big 12. bobfescoe Bob Fescoe Just because u have not heard anything about KU doesn't mean there is nothing going on.
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KChiefs1 I’m a Mahomo! KChiefs1's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mid-Missouri	So MU's division will be: Missouri Arkansas LSU Texas A&M Mississippi Mississippi State Alabama Correct?
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