***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

JFC

NEW: Carnival Cruise Line to resume some North American cruises in August, with eight ships out of Miami, Port Canaveral and Galveston. https://t.co/Rv9cGCfn2r pic.twitter.com/OShxVY4BRL

— ABC News (@ABC) May 4, 2020

I'll be curious to see who, in their right mind, would go on one of those things in August.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

well at least you didnt compare it to drunk driving deaths, you have that going for you.

why would I?

[limested]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Freezing debt needs to be clarified. Places like banks are "freezing" or as they say deferring payments for 3 months but they are not adding 3 months to the end of your loan. They are expecting 4 months worth of payments come month 4.

You must have a really shitty bank then. I took advantage of two loan accounts via two banks and interest still accumulates but it isn't that all four months are due on month 4. My loan that was to end next Feb will now end next may.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

JFC

NEW: Carnival Cruise Line to resume some North American cruises in August, with eight ships out of Miami, Port Canaveral and Galveston. https://t.co/Rv9cGCfn2r pic.twitter.com/OShxVY4BRL

— ABC News (@ABC) May 4, 2020

hoo boy

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Freezing debt needs to be clarified. Places like banks are "freezing" or as they say deferring payments for 3 months but they are not adding 3 months to the end of your loan. They are expecting 4 months worth of payments come month 4.

no bank that offered deferred payments have said that. i havent taken them up on it but they all told me it would be added to the end of the note.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by stevieray

why would I?

well then you actually compared to car accidents. 38k per YEAR compared to 65+ k in 2 months.


seems like a reasonable comparision, huh?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by limested

You must have a really shitty bank then. I took advantage of two loan accounts via two banks and interest still accumulates but it isn't that all four months are due on month 4. My loan that was to end next Feb will now end next may.

It isn't "my bank". Secondly, I have been mortgage free for quite some time now. But a lot of banks are doing just what I said. So just because you think it's shitty doesn't mean it isn't happening.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

well then you actually compared to car accidents. 38k per YEAR compared to 65+ k in 2 months.


seems like a reasonable comparision, huh?

I'm talking about risks in life.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

no bank that offered deferred payments have said that. i havent taken them up on it but they all told me it would be added to the end of the note.

That's not what I have heard. I am sure you are speaking anecdotally of course as am I.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I think he was trying to take bets on 100k at some point, but it’s been a long thread .

I was. Because of so much of the misinformation being spread and unfortunately it would sadly be easy money.

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Lets be honest here. What you claimed 10 days ago was if not another person contracted Covid at that time 200,000 people MINIMUM in the US would die.

I don't think 200,000 is still out of the question. I did not phrase it as you suggest, though.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

It isn't "my bank". Secondly, I have been mortgage free for quite some time now. But a lot of banks are doing just what I said. So just because you think it's shitty doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Some lenders offer borrowers deferred payments. This means that you may not be required to make the monthly payment. Instead, the amount due will be delayed until the end of your loan. This could result in lower monthly payments when you're having trouble paying when bills are due.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Some lenders offer borrowers deferred payments. This means that you may not be required to make the monthly payment. Instead, the amount due will be delayed until the end of your loan. This could result in lower monthly payments when you're having trouble paying when bills are due.

As you said, "some". I would hope that it would be most but I don't know that and neither do you.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That's not what I have heard. I am sure you are speaking anecdotally of course as am I.

i'm speaking from what banks have told me personally.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

As you said, "some". I would hope that it would be most but I don't know that and neither do you.

no that says "some" offer them. not that "some" add it to the end.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by stevieray

I'm talking about risks in life.

False narrative to compare known risks to a virus with little knowledge or treatment options.