***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Well, except for all the dead people.

Newsflash:People die.

Every. single. day.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

It's a balance, and we are unfortunately seeing the other side... 30,000,000 unemployed and growing, can't keep printing money after this first wave...
Suicides prevention calls, domestic violence calls up significantly, and child welfare and abuse cases down substantially(not good as they aren't being observed by others). This is just the toll on Americans. The depression continued isolation would bring to America and to the World would be devestating to 100's of millions around the world, particularly those in developing nations.

Theres still going to be millions unemployed the economy isnt going to bounce back until the virus has been controlled.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Being noble and patriotic has nothing to do with it.

Life HAS to move forward, and it will., regardless if you want to spend you life in fear.

Some people feel they need a gun for home protection even though the odds of dying in a home invasion are probably lower than dying from covid, we all see things differently doesn't mean it is wrong.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Newsflash:People die.

Every. single. day.

You pretend to be Christian. Shame.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Newsflash:People die.

Every. single. day.

So...**** them?

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Donger

So I've herd.

Heeeyooooooo!

[Mecca]

Hey if anyone gets cancer, that's a real drain on the medical system and insurance rates we should take them out back and shoot them so life can go on better for everyone else, survival of the fittest right?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Hey if anyone gets cancer, that's a real drain on the medical system and insurance rates we should take them out back and shoot them so life can go on better for everyone else, survival of the fittest right?

We'd all be better off if we just implemented policies based on eugenics, really.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DaFace

So...**** them?

That attitude isn't just him alone either.....thats the other thing this has shown me, our economic system is ****ed and the way Americans think about each other is even more ****ed, we're a selfish spoiled nation.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DaFace

We'd all be better off if we just implemented policies based on eugenics, really.

Hey why not right? If your child is born with a disability instead of having tax payers help you take care of them, just drown them in the tub, better for our system.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Monticore

We all see things differently doesn't mean it is wrong.

Best post of this thread, yet each “side” continues to attack each other.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Mecca

That attitude isn't just him alone either.....thats the other thing this has shown me, our economic system is ****ed and the way Americans think about each other is even more ****ed, we're a selfish spoiled nation.

It's the same group of people that drink bleach too. Heres the thing the economy isnt coming back til we get this figured out.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by notorious

Best post of this thread, yet each “side” continues to attack each other.

When theres someone who suggests innocent people should die they deserve to be ridiculed.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by DaFace

We'd all be better off if we just implemented policies based on eugenics, really.

This is a great post.

[Marcellus]

Anyone want to tackle this? CDC changed the number of Covid deaths to 37K?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Edit: Weird so is that the total without pneumonia? Very confusing.

Ah.

Why these numbers are different
Provisional death counts may not match counts from other sources, such as media reports or numbers from county health departments. Our counts often track 1–2 weeks behind other data for a number of reasons: Death certificates take time to be completed. There are many steps involved in completing and submitting a death certificate. Waiting for test results can create additional delays. States report at different rates. Currently, 63% of all U.S. deaths are reported within 10 days of the date of death, but there is significant variation among jurisdictions. It takes extra time to code COVID-19 deaths. While 80% of deaths are electronically processed and coded by NCHS within minutes, most deaths from COVID-19 must be coded manually, which takes an average of 7 days. Other reporting systems use different definitions or methods for counting deaths.