***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Have a friend from HS who had the Rona and was pretty sick in the hospital for around 2 weeks. She recovered and left the hospital, which was pretty awesome. However, now, she got really sick again and they readmitted her. She has the Rona again and is very sick. It doesn't appear either is a false positive, but who knows.

Did she have neg tests before being considered recovered, and how long after did she get sick again.

[Monticore]

Hey Hamas , have you heard anymore on whether or not they still think there is a correlation between initial viral load and severity of symptoms.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Yep. Just ten days ago or so. I was here trying to tell everyone it woud be way, way more than that. I have no idea who was inputting the data for their projections but you cant help but to think they were biased.

Lets be honest here. What you claimed 10 days ago was if not another person contracted Covid at that time 200,000 people MINIMUM in the US would die.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Lets be honest here. What you claimed 10 days ago was if not another person contracted Covid at that time 200,000 people MINIMUM in the US would die.

I think he was trying to take bets on 100k at some point, but it’s been a long thread .

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I think he was trying to take bets on 100k at some point, but it’s been a long thread .

What I stated is exactly what he said.

[dirk digler]

If we continue to have 2k deaths per day we will easily hit 200K dead by the end of summer. Then the second big wave will hit in the fall.

[Mecca]

Excluding the New York tristate area, national covid19 infections, hospitalizations, and deaths continue to increase. The national doubling time has rise to about 25 days, but the epidemic continues to slowly expand. And covid spread - although slower - remains persistent. pic.twitter.com/isse2NRvpA

— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) May 3, 2020

Even as more economic activity is restarted, covid is expanding in many states and we face a persistent plateau of 30,000 daily cases and 2,000 deaths. A lot of the spread is clustered in disadvantaged communities and in at risk environments. We must focus intense resources there pic.twitter.com/QDYXL43iHm

— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) May 3, 2020

Not exactly sure where the idea that everything is fine and we're past the peak is coming from at this point.

[dirk digler]

Gottlieb made an interesting point this morning on CNBC when he said if we are sticking with only catching 1 in 10 infections..well you do the math.

[limested]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Excluding the New York tristate area, national covid19 infections, hospitalizations, and deaths continue to increase. The national doubling time has rise to about 25 days, but the epidemic continues to slowly expand. And covid spread - although slower - remains persistent. pic.twitter.com/isse2NRvpA

— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) May 3, 2020

Even as more economic activity is restarted, covid is expanding in many states and we face a persistent plateau of 30,000 daily cases and 2,000 deaths. A lot of the spread is clustered in disadvantaged communities and in at risk environments. We must focus intense resources there pic.twitter.com/QDYXL43iHm

— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) May 3, 2020

Not exactly sure where the idea that everything is fine and we're past the peak is coming from at this point.

Gotta open up the economy and make billions for those who will still be at home isolating.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by limested

Gotta open up the economy and make billions for those who will still be at home isolating.

To me the biggest problem, if those numbers hold accurate, is you basically take yourself right back to square 1, causing another big spike, closing everything again and then people are going to be even more pissed about it.

[limested]

Originally Posted by Mecca

To me the biggest problem, if those numbers hold accurate, is you basically take yourself right back to square 1, causing another big spike, closing everything again and then people are going to be even more pissed about it.

I think if we open up and it starts exploding again it will destroy the economy worse than it already has.

Trying to get people back to work has nothing to do with what is best and getting back to normal. It is all about greed and getting people off unemployment.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by limested

I think if we open up and it starts exploding again it will destroy the economy worse than it already has.

Trying to get people back to work has nothing to do with what is best and getting back to normal. It is all about greed and getting people off unemployment.

The biggest thing to me here is that it took a virus to make people realize just how fragile and craptastic the economy really is. When a month of shutdown causes what this has caused it really shows how much things need to change, it's 2020 not 1930.

Also it has really brought to light, at least to me, how much the cult of work is still very prevalent among even the poorest of people.

[R Clark]

So what is the cult of work mean?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Excluding the New York tristate area, national covid19 infections, hospitalizations, and deaths continue to increase. The national doubling time has rise to about 25 days, but the epidemic continues to slowly expand. And covid spread - although slower - remains persistent. pic.twitter.com/isse2NRvpA

— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) May 3, 2020

Even as more economic activity is restarted, covid is expanding in many states and we face a persistent plateau of 30,000 daily cases and 2,000 deaths. A lot of the spread is clustered in disadvantaged communities and in at risk environments. We must focus intense resources there pic.twitter.com/QDYXL43iHm

— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) May 3, 2020

Not exactly sure where the idea that everything is fine and we're past the peak is coming from at this point.

Past the peak doesn't mean off the mountain. And it's starting to look like the other side of the peak is a very gradual decline, unfortunately.

[limested]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Past the peak doesn't mean off the mountain. And it's starting to look like the other side of the peak is a very gradual decline, unfortunately.

I think it is more we made it to the top of the mountain. We think we have conquered it but we can't see through the clouds that we have another much taller and dangerous mountain just ahead.