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Old 07-21-2018, 11:46 PM   #2
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I don't intend to be the anti-electric guy, but there is far too much blue sky being sold here.

I REALLY want electric cars. If copper weren't so expensive, I'd have every well I have on electric too.

I'd have to see how it worked in Ag, because diesel (and unfortunately now, DEF) is still portable. Electricity is going to be harder to get across the countryside to fields.

Nobody wants this to happen more than I do, but it is intergalacticly stupid to think that it will just happen because the technology is there. Many many good ideas with good intentions have been derailed by bullshit. Tesla isn't exempt because it is a good story.
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Old 08-04-2018, 08:25 AM   #3
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As an example of how silly media scrutiny of Tesla has been, here's an article from 2010 about the 300k EVs per year Volkswagen was planning to sell in 2018. They may have come up a LITTLE short of that.

https://www.treehugger.com/cars/volk...r-by-2018.html

(Spoiler alert: they're barely selling any at all.)
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Old 08-04-2018, 08:29 AM   #4
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As an example of how silly media scrutiny of Tesla has been, here's an article from 2010 about the 300k EVs per year Volkswagen was planning to sell in 2018. They may have come up a LITTLE short of that.

https://www.treehugger.com/cars/volk...r-by-2018.html

(Spoiler alert: they're barely selling any at all.)
By 2025, VW says it plans to sell as many as 3 million all-electric cars per year, Diess told investors Thursday at the annual shareholder meeting in Berlin. The biggest concentration of those vehicles will be in China
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Old 08-04-2018, 08:48 AM   #5
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By 2025, VW says it plans to sell as many as 3 million all-electric cars per year, Diess told investors Thursday at the annual shareholder meeting in Berlin. The biggest concentration of those vehicles will be in China
I expect to see dozens of news reports about it if they don't hit that mark. That's how this works, right?
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Old 08-04-2018, 09:05 PM   #6
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I expect to see dozens of news reports about it if they don't hit that mark. That's how this works, right?
The ID products are pretty cool. I could see them selling a lot of those.
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Old 08-04-2018, 12:10 PM   #7
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As an example of how silly media scrutiny of Tesla has been, here's an article from 2010 about the 300k EVs per year Volkswagen was planning to sell in 2018. They may have come up a LITTLE short of that.

https://www.treehugger.com/cars/volk...r-by-2018.html

(Spoiler alert: they're barely selling any at all.)
Sure, it is easy for a company to make wild claims about what the company is going to be doing 8 years in the future. Musk has come up a wee bit short of some of his grandiose claims too.

VW paid lip service back in 2010 but they were too busy making fistfuls of cash selling diesels and didn't put real money into EVs. Their diesel market has since imploded. China and some major European countries are pushing electric vehicles as a way to combat urban smog and other urban air pollution issues. This time around, VW is backing up their talk with billions in investment.

I don't see any reason to doubt that VW will be a major producer of electric cars in 8~10 years time.

The Tesla doubters may be proved wrong, but I think they have a pretty strong case.
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Old 08-04-2018, 12:37 PM   #8
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Sure, it is easy for a company to make wild claims about what the company is going to be doing 8 years in the future. Musk has come up a wee bit short of some of his grandiose claims too.
He's still doing more for U.S. energy change than most. He's pushing the technology forward more than our entire worthless ass government.
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Old 08-04-2018, 01:20 PM   #9
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He's still doing more for U.S. energy change than most. He's pushing the technology forward more than our entire worthless ass government.
You believe it’s government’s role to innovate and act as entrepreneur?
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Old 08-04-2018, 07:55 PM   #10
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The hype around Tesla annoyed me. I appreciated Musk as a visionary but never really took Tesla seriously.

My wife had an important birthday. She wanted an SUV. Had some ideas that I easily picked apart. She then mentioned Tesla in the same way that she had Bitcoin as a Christmas gift at the highs months before. I sighed heavily and went along for a test drive.

Loved the Model X experience. Loved the technology. Loved how it felt different.

We took delivery two weeks ago. Could not be more pleased or impressed. (The wife likes it!/end thread.) Not sure about the sustainability of it as a business model and not quite ready to provide Tesla with a multi-year 0% loan in the form of a Roadster deposit, but I’m beyond intrigued.

I think Tesla is pretty cool and that’s probably pretty representative.
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Old 08-06-2018, 08:32 AM   #11
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You believe it’s government’s role to innovate and act as entrepreneur?
When private markets fail to even try? Yeah.
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Old 08-05-2018, 05:18 PM   #12
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He's still doing more for U.S. energy change than most. He's pushing the technology forward more than our entire worthless ass government.
The $7,500 tax credit that buyers of Tesla cars get surely helped a bit.
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Old 08-07-2018, 01:03 PM   #13
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The $7,500 tax credit that buyers of Tesla cars get surely helped a bit.
Not that anyone would turn it down, but how big of a difference would this credit really make when you can't lease the thing, and the purchase price is north of $80k?

Big part of the reason why I think this credit is stupid.
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Old 08-07-2018, 12:53 PM   #14
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Elon must be getting tired of answering to public investors.
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Old 08-07-2018, 03:21 PM   #15
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Elon must be getting tired of answering to public investors.
Wonder where he is going to get the money to buy out stock holders at $420.

That is usually the sort of thing you do when your stock is in the tank. Not when you have a tiny car company with a market capitalization bigger than GM.
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