|
07-13-2018, 11:44 AM | #2656 | |
Hockey Town
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Kansas City, Missouri
|
Quote:
I think a lot of that is why it took Moustakas so long to be a good major leaguer. |
|
Posts: 112,451
|
07-13-2018, 12:17 PM | #2657 |
George Brett shit his pants
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: At the Bellagio
|
Hosmer is cool. He's old school like Ned. People tell him he has the worst launch angle in the league, but he's like nah, I trust my brother who works construction in Florida, as my swing coach. I like hitting 190 mph ground balls to infielders. That is the true meddle of a champion.
|
Posts: 48,384
|
07-13-2018, 01:28 PM | #2658 | |
World's Best Boss
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Bronco Country
|
Quote:
Forcing pitchers out of the long-toss and away from the Slider was an organization philosophy for far too long - and surprise! Avoiding drafting pitchers from their pitch selection or moving them away from their strengths has backfired in more ways than one. In fact, forcing Duffy and Collins to change their delivery/pitches didn't prevent a torn UCL, and only had the effect of impacting their development. A lot of people say the Royals missed out on an ace when they didn't draft Chris Sale, but idk, if they "cleaned up" his delivery and commandeered his pitch selection, it's quite possible his first six years in the majors would have been somewhat similar to Duffy's (after we took away Danny's out pitch). Not that the Royals shouldn't have been more forceful with their hitters, but there is a fine line, and it seems the Royals took a while before finding it with their pitchers. Last edited by Chiefspants; 07-13-2018 at 03:42 PM.. |
|
Posts: 18,468
|
1 0 |
07-13-2018, 02:00 PM | #2659 |
M-I-Z-Z-O-U
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Kansas City
|
There was a lot of chatter about some things Myers had to fix as a hitter when he got to Tampa, so I think there’s something to that.
That turd Jack Maloof was the minor league hitting instructor for a long time before his disastrous stint as hitting coach in 2013, so I don’t think it’s a coincidence. They were old school for too long, and the outcomes of that were overcoaching pitchers and forcing them into a specific box, and not coaching hitters enough as long as they were succeeding. I think it has improved. Re: Hosmer and his swing, maybe another org could have broken his bad habits... but not sure how many could have. |
Posts: 21,435
|
1 0 |
07-13-2018, 02:08 PM | #2660 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
|
Quote:
You really are talking about the kind of 2 year, tear apart and re-build kind of process that Heyward's going through right now that may or may not be actually bearing fruit. "Why didn't they fix Hosmer?" is so much easier asked than answered. There wasn't just one little hitch in there - his swing and his approach sure look to be bad habits built on bad habits. |
|
Posts: 62,484
|
07-13-2018, 02:17 PM | #2661 |
MVP
Join Date: May 2001
Location: midtown KC
|
when you think about it, the back to back WS were really an aberration. NONE of our blue chip guys from the "BEST FARM SYSTEM IN BASEBALL" really became stars. Hosmer has never become what he was projected to be. Moose finally did, sort of, last year. I mean, Salvy is a fantastic defensive catcher with some power, but has never hit for average. Duffy has not been the frontline ace he was expected to be. Ventura was, well, Ventura, and maybe he would've put it together, maybe not. None of the other pitchers developed. None. We've not really truly developed anyone in a very, very long time. They were good enough AS A TEAM, along with Cain, Gordon, and the bullpen, which was freakishly good, but comprised largely of failed starters that converted well to relief.
|
Posts: 17,802
|
07-13-2018, 02:19 PM | #2662 |
Rabbi Goldmann
Join Date: Nov 2012
|
Hoz was 3rd in AL in OBP last year.
Ops of 1.000 after April. He doesn't have "noise". He has a downward plane swing that drives ball into ground. Nuff said |
Posts: 87,025
|
07-13-2018, 02:25 PM | #2663 |
Be Kind To Your Pets
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Glorious Independence, MO
|
If you look at Hosmer's career, his batting average has jumped around quite a bit. He's a streak hitter. When he's hot he's hot. When he's not, he's not. Too streaky for $23 million a year, that's for sure.
|
Posts: 40,910
|
07-13-2018, 02:26 PM | #2664 | |
George Brett shit his pants
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: At the Bellagio
|
Quote:
|
|
Posts: 48,384
|
07-13-2018, 02:33 PM | #2665 |
Hockey Town
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Kansas City, Missouri
|
Cain is the guy who did develop into what he was supposed to be..and he was largely developed by another organization.
Perez in a lot of ways should be considered a bonus, I don't ever remember him being on a top 100 list, he was never thought of the same way the other guys were around baseball. Hosmer, Moose and Myers were suppose to be stars. Duffy was supposed to be an ace...hell Mike Montgomery and John Lamb were suppose to be somebodies. I won't go any further into pitching there really isn't an argument, they flat out sucked balls at developing pitchers. I do think their hitting approach like duncan said of "if they are producing leave them alone" led to a lot of big league struggles for those guys. If a lot of bad habits had been broken early on in the organization it may have taken a bit longer for them to get here but we may have seen better players or some guys make it that didn't. |
Posts: 112,451
|
07-13-2018, 02:46 PM | #2666 |
Hockey Town
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Kansas City, Missouri
|
To add on the guy they drafted in the 2nd round last year, a lefty pitcher Evan Steele hasn't even thrown a pitch this year as he has shoulder problems..I don't think he's thrown a pitch for the Royals organization yet.
|
Posts: 112,451
|
07-13-2018, 03:15 PM | #2667 |
Down with Nino Brown
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Omaha
|
Glad to see he was on a limit. They threw those Florida guys a lot of innings so was hoping for the best. Would have loved to see him get a couple more guys out though.
|
Posts: 3,617
|
07-13-2018, 03:16 PM | #2668 | |
remember, remember
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: como
|
Quote:
the problem is partially that you're comparing apples to oranges. mecca, man, you were all about the nfl draft back in the day. and while nfl prospects may be 'hit or miss,' you're ignoring the major issue--mlb prospects don't have that extra 3-4 years of development that nfl prospects do, there isn't as much tape, and scouting is so freaking subjective unfortunately. we got really lucky to do what we did in 2014-15, though you can't say we didn't stockpile talent... what we did with that talent, the bad luck/bad scouting in drafting hasn't helped, but you can look at every team in the league and wonder why so-and-so didn't develop... where the hell is travis lee right now? where the hell is erubial durazo (lol old, busted top prospects that never were). I can keep going. shall I keep going with busted prospects from every team? I can go with any team you want. and their bust list will be way more expansive than the bust list of the chiefs. |
|
Posts: 26,456
|
07-13-2018, 03:18 PM | #2669 | |
remember, remember
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: como
|
Quote:
|
|
Posts: 26,456
|
07-13-2018, 03:33 PM | #2670 | |
M-I-Z-Z-O-U
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Kansas City
|
Quote:
Steele had light duty last year after being drafted and was impressive. Good stuff. His mechanics left something to be desired - very funky and rough, leading to those shoulder problems. Believe he’s reworking his mechanics to smooth things out. He was their third or fourth pick in the draft, forget which. It was purely an upside play. He was headed to auburn after pitching at the leading juco and committing to vandy out of HS. Big upside, which is why they took the chance. He’s a guy who could take a similar jump as we saw from Cody Reed in his third year in the org. |
|
Posts: 21,435
|
|
|