***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Spott]

Originally Posted by notorious

Yep.

What I am about to say will probably be the most despicable thing in this thread, but there’s a lot of truth.

I am going to remove all emotion.


It’s everywhere, and will kill off many elderly people. There are several economical benefits. Money will be passed on and spent by younger people, Medicare and Social Security will have a great load relieved from them.

The economy is going to have a massive boost simply due to the movement of somewhat previously stagnant money. A lot of property that old people have sat on will be sold.

It’s like the burning of a forest. It sucks, but it will grow back stronger than before.


I love my parents, and I don’t want their money. I want them around as long as possible.

That’s where I’m at with this. The reality is that this has probably been around since last fall. As much as I’ve traveled and been to large events during that time, there’s probably a good chance I’ve already had it and didn’t know it. All of these efforts just feel like we are delaying the inevitable and destroying the economy at the same time.

[O.city]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....26.20079244v1

It’s from Iran so who knows but the numbers are interesting

What I find the most interesting is how they broke it down via age. Older people had a more robust B cell response where the younger population had less antibodies suggesting a stronger T cell response

There’s something there in that imo

[Kidd Lex]

Just got back from the Dr’s office after receiving a chest X-ray, 2nd Covid test, and blood drawn for antibody testing.

Had flu like symptoms back in Mid-March, about a week after a trip to Houston for work. The symptoms were body aches, intense lethargy, sinus pressure, dizziness, coughing, light chest pains but no fever so I figured bad sinus infection. April 2nd woke up with bad conjectivitus in both eyes unlike any I’d ever had so I made a doctors appointment. 3 hours later I went to the doctor and instead of seeing the dr they directed to a parking space where they took a Covid swab. The swab was weak, like no tears in my eyes weak. Barely went past the nostrils to get the sample while I sat in my car. Doctor calls me on FaceTime like app and prescribes eye drops. Covid test comes back negative 2 days later.

Then I really got sick. Lungs were aching, couldn’t take deep breaths, truly had two days I was scared and decided if it got any worse I’d seek hospital treatment, but my oximeter said my blood oxygen was good and my Covid test was negative with no underlying healthy issues (41 yrs old) so rest, eat healthy, hydrate, and let the mucinex do its work. Two days of coughing up green thick mucus and my lungs started to feel better. This was about a 10 days ago. Pretty quickly my energy returned to normal, back to lifting weights and taking walks (couldn’t run yet, lungs not ready for whatever reason) for the first time in weeks, albeit still with a cough.

Fast forward to yesterday lungs Started getting heavier again and kind of tickling so I’m like enough, back to the doctor today to get the xrays and see what going on. This is like a 6+ week illness at this point.

So today after the tests the Doctor to my surprise tells me I have pneumonia in one lung, and wants to do an ekg, Covid test, and bloodwork. Ekg was good, and now waiting on bloodwork. Antibody test results in 5 days or less, Covid he said by Monday. My Doctor also works at UAB (one of the sites where they have nation leading infectious disease studies) and strongly believes I have/had Covid given the laundry list of symptomS and progression. He’s prescribed antibiotics and a nebulizer to treat the lungs condition, and said 90% chance I should improve.

Never would have bet I had pneumonia, and not sure what I hope to happen next, but I need to get better and shake this most persistent sickness. Btw I’ve never had a fever this entire time, and the second Covid test made my eyes watery and unable to open for 29 seconds, like I had taken a bite from a giant lemon - night and day to the first one - improper swabs could be the reason for many false negatives.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

Just got back from the Dr’s office after receiving a chest X-ray, 2nd Covid test, and blood drawn for antibody testing.

Had flu like symptoms back in Mid-March, about a week after a trip to Houston for work. The symptoms were body aches, intense lethargy, sinus pressure, dizziness, coughing, light chest pains but no fever so I figured bad sinus infection. April 2nd woke up with bad conjectivitus in both eyes unlike any I’d ever had so I made a doctors appointment. 3 hours later I went to the doctor and instead of seeing the dr they directed to a parking space where they took a Covid swab. The swab was weak, like no tears in my eyes weak. Barely went past the nostrils to get the sample while I sat in my car. Doctor calls me on FaceTime like app and prescribes eye drops. Covid test comes back negative 2 days later.

Then I really got sick. Lungs were aching, couldn’t take deep breaths, truly had two days I was scared and decided if it got any worse I’d seek hospital treatment, but my oximeter said my blood oxygen was good and my Covid test was negative with no underlying healthy issues (41 yrs old) so rest, eat healthy, hydrate, and let the mucinex do its work. Two days of coughing up green thick mucus and my lungs started to feel better. This was about a 10 days ago. Pretty quickly my energy returned to normal, back to lifting weights and taking walks (couldn’t run yet, lungs not ready for whatever reason) for the first time in weeks, albeit still with a cough.

Fast forward to yesterday lungs Started getting heavier again and kind of tickling so I’m like enough, back to the doctor today to get the xrays and see what going on. This is like a 6+ week illness at this point.

So today after the tests the Doctor to my surprise tells me I have pneumonia in one lung, and wants to do an ekg, Covid test, and bloodwork. Ekg was good, and now waiting on bloodwork. Antibody test results in 5 days or less, Covid he said by Monday. My Doctor also works at UAB (one of the sites where they have nation leading infectious disease studies) and strongly believes I have/had Covid given the laundry list of symptomS and progression. He’s prescribed antibiotics and a nebulizer to treat the lungs condition, and said 90% chance I should improve.

Never would have bet I had pneumonia, and not sure what I hope to happen next, but I need to get better and shake this most persistent sickness. Btw I’ve never had a fever this entire time, and the second Covid test made my eyes watery and unable to open for 29 seconds, like I had taken a bite from a giant lemon - night and day to the first one - improper swabs could be the reason for many false negatives.

Glad you are doing better.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

Just got back from the Dr’s office after receiving a chest X-ray, 2nd Covid test, and blood drawn for antibody testing.

Had flu like symptoms back in Mid-March, about a week after a trip to Houston for work. The symptoms were body aches, intense lethargy, sinus pressure, dizziness, coughing, light chest pains but no fever so I figured bad sinus infection. April 2nd woke up with bad conjectivitus in both eyes unlike any I’d ever had so I made a doctors appointment. 3 hours later I went to the doctor and instead of seeing the dr they directed to a parking space where they took a Covid swab. The swab was weak, like no tears in my eyes weak. Barely went past the nostrils to get the sample while I sat in my car. Doctor calls me on FaceTime like app and prescribes eye drops. Covid test comes back negative 2 days later.

Then I really got sick. Lungs were aching, couldn’t take deep breaths, truly had two days I was scared and decided if it got any worse I’d seek hospital treatment, but my oximeter said my blood oxygen was good and my Covid test was negative with no underlying healthy issues (41 yrs old) so rest, eat healthy, hydrate, and let the mucinex do its work. Two days of coughing up green thick mucus and my lungs started to feel better. This was about a 10 days ago. Pretty quickly my energy returned to normal, back to lifting weights and taking walks (couldn’t run yet, lungs not ready for whatever reason) for the first time in weeks, albeit still with a cough.

Fast forward to yesterday lungs Started getting heavier again and kind of tickling so I’m like enough, back to the doctor today to get the xrays and see what going on. This is like a 6+ week illness at this point.

So today after the tests the Doctor to my surprise tells me I have pneumonia in one lung, and wants to do an ekg, Covid test, and bloodwork. Ekg was good, and now waiting on bloodwork. Antibody test results in 5 days or less, Covid he said by Monday. My Doctor also works at UAB (one of the sites where they have nation leading infectious disease studies) and strongly believes I have/had Covid given the laundry list of symptomS and progression. He’s prescribed antibiotics and a nebulizer to treat the lungs condition, and said 90% chance I should improve.

Never would have bet I had pneumonia, and not sure what I hope to happen next, but I need to get better and shake this most persistent sickness. Btw I’ve never had a fever this entire time, and the second Covid test made my eyes watery and unable to open for 29 seconds, like I had taken a bite from a giant lemon - night and day to the first one - improper swabs could be the reason for many false negatives.

That's so strange.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

Just got back from the Dr’s office after receiving a chest X-ray, 2nd Covid test, and blood drawn for antibody testing.

Had flu like symptoms back in Mid-March, about a week after a trip to Houston for work. The symptoms were body aches, intense lethargy, sinus pressure, dizziness, coughing, light chest pains but no fever so I figured bad sinus infection. April 2nd woke up with bad conjectivitus in both eyes unlike any I’d ever had so I made a doctors appointment. 3 hours later I went to the doctor and instead of seeing the dr they directed to a parking space where they took a Covid swab. The swab was weak, like no tears in my eyes weak. Barely went past the nostrils to get the sample while I sat in my car. Doctor calls me on FaceTime like app and prescribes eye drops. Covid test comes back negative 2 days later.

Then I really got sick. Lungs were aching, couldn’t take deep breaths, truly had two days I was scared and decided if it got any worse I’d seek hospital treatment, but my oximeter said my blood oxygen was good and my Covid test was negative with no underlying healthy issues (41 yrs old) so rest, eat healthy, hydrate, and let the mucinex do its work. Two days of coughing up green thick mucus and my lungs started to feel better. This was about a 10 days ago. Pretty quickly my energy returned to normal, back to lifting weights and taking walks (couldn’t run yet, lungs not ready for whatever reason) for the first time in weeks, albeit still with a cough.

Fast forward to yesterday lungs Started getting heavier again and kind of tickling so I’m like enough, back to the doctor today to get the xrays and see what going on. This is like a 6+ week illness at this point.

So today after the tests the Doctor to my surprise tells me I have pneumonia in one lung, and wants to do an ekg, Covid test, and bloodwork. Ekg was good, and now waiting on bloodwork. Antibody test results in 5 days or less, Covid he said by Monday. My Doctor also works at UAB (one of the sites where they have nation leading infectious disease studies) and strongly believes I have/had Covid given the laundry list of symptomS and progression. He’s prescribed antibiotics and a nebulizer to treat the lungs condition, and said 90% chance I should improve.

Never would have bet I had pneumonia, and not sure what I hope to happen next, but I need to get better and shake this most persistent sickness. Btw I’ve never had a fever this entire time, and the second Covid test made my eyes watery and unable to open for 29 seconds, like I had taken a bite from a giant lemon - night and day to the first one - improper swabs could be the reason for many false negatives.

Damn! Best of luck with all that crap. Let us know what they find out.

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Damn! Best of luck with all that crap. Let us know what they find out.

Thanks brother. Sorry for the long post.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

Just got back from the Dr’s office after receiving a chest X-ray, 2nd Covid test, and blood drawn for antibody testing.

Had flu like symptoms back in Mid-March, about a week after a trip to Houston for work. The symptoms were body aches, intense lethargy, sinus pressure, dizziness, coughing, light chest pains but no fever so I figured bad sinus infection. April 2nd woke up with bad conjectivitus in both eyes unlike any I’d ever had so I made a doctors appointment. 3 hours later I went to the doctor and instead of seeing the dr they directed to a parking space where they took a Covid swab. The swab was weak, like no tears in my eyes weak. Barely went past the nostrils to get the sample while I sat in my car. Doctor calls me on FaceTime like app and prescribes eye drops. Covid test comes back negative 2 days later.

Then I really got sick. Lungs were aching, couldn’t take deep breaths, truly had two days I was scared and decided if it got any worse I’d seek hospital treatment, but my oximeter said my blood oxygen was good and my Covid test was negative with no underlying healthy issues (41 yrs old) so rest, eat healthy, hydrate, and let the mucinex do its work. Two days of coughing up green thick mucus and my lungs started to feel better. This was about a 10 days ago. Pretty quickly my energy returned to normal, back to lifting weights and taking walks (couldn’t run yet, lungs not ready for whatever reason) for the first time in weeks, albeit still with a cough.

Fast forward to yesterday lungs Started getting heavier again and kind of tickling so I’m like enough, back to the doctor today to get the xrays and see what going on. This is like a 6+ week illness at this point.

So today after the tests the Doctor to my surprise tells me I have pneumonia in one lung, and wants to do an ekg, Covid test, and bloodwork. Ekg was good, and now waiting on bloodwork. Antibody test results in 5 days or less, Covid he said by Monday. My Doctor also works at UAB (one of the sites where they have nation leading infectious disease studies) and strongly believes I have/had Covid given the laundry list of symptomS and progression. He’s prescribed antibiotics and a nebulizer to treat the lungs condition, and said 90% chance I should improve.

Never would have bet I had pneumonia, and not sure what I hope to happen next, but I need to get better and shake this most persistent sickness. Btw I’ve never had a fever this entire time, and the second Covid test made my eyes watery and unable to open for 29 seconds, like I had taken a bite from a giant lemon - night and day to the first one - improper swabs could be the reason for many false negatives.

Dude, I hope you get better soon. My Son went through similar in early Feb. 2nd round of pneumonia in a couple of months only this time was worse. Lots of nasty crap in his lung but they weren't Rona testing then. Took him a couple weeks to recover fully. I got "the flu" right after that and had the dry cough, fever, aches. Was sick enough I called into work and stayed in bed. That hasn't happened in years. If I am sick I usually work from home but my ass wasn't moving. Took me almost 2 months before I felt right again. Always felt like I was fighting off something and occasional dry coughing fit that would go away after an hour or so.

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Dude, I hope you get better soon. My Son went through similar in early Feb. 2nd round of pneumonia in a couple of months only this time was worse. Lots of nasty crap in his lung but they weren't Rona testing then. Took him a couple weeks to recover fully. I got "the flu" right after that and had the dry cough, fever, aches. Was sick enough I called into work and stayed in bed. That hasn't happened in years. If I am sick I usually work from home but my ass wasn't moving. Took me almost 2 months before I felt right again. Always felt like I was fighting off something and occasional dry coughing fit that would go away after an hour or so.

Thanks my man. Something is off with all of this (live in Alabama btw), no way Covid just showed up in Washington a month ago. Accurate antibody testing will be the key to this whole jigsaw puzzle, and I’d say what you described sounds a lot like what I’ve been experiencing. The strange thing is my energy levels are exponentially better now than they were, I was beyond exhausted like you described. Hope the Levofloxacin cleans out the pneumonia and gets me to 100% quickly, because if this isnt Covid, there’s some other serious and contagious respiratory ailments making the rounds.

[Demonpenz]

Did anyone else just have the feeling of not being themselves. Like I am used to being sick and healthy but this year I got sick and there was something weird about it. It zapped all fear and motivation and just had me numb to everything. Sometimes I am so sick it drowns out fear and motivation but I was like 7 out of 10 sick not dying sick but I was just out of it.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

Thanks brother. Sorry for the long post.

No bud, all good, just get 100%.

[PurpleRiders51]

Lol, I love it! I'm a big boxing fan too, here's how former HW Champion & current contender Joseph Parker is spending his Corona Quarantine.

Keep up your great work NZ! Your efforts are sending us “Back to the Future” ���� @twigg_emma @tuivasasheck @katrina_rore @lauramcgoldrick13 @martyguptill31 @davidnyika @nickmowbrayzuru @izzy_dagg @montybetham @beaudenbarrett Dame Noeline Taurau ����: #MagicMan @kerryrusselltv �� pic.twitter.com/Hr1IeKtinT

— Joseph Parker (@joeboxerparker) May 1, 2020

Watch the video it's great

Here's some Quarantine trick shots for you.

We bring you our top 5 trickshots of the week - number 4 is magic. ��*♂️ pic.twitter.com/q5HycFu48F

— thesportsman (@TheSportsman) April 24, 2020

All pretty ****ing cool.

Here's another where Joltin' Joe ropes current Undisputed Lineal HW World Champion Tyson Fury, along with worlds greatest promoter Eddie Hearn along with other boxing personalities including Michael Buffer to "Do The Time-Warp" sing/dance along to Rocky Horror

Stuck in a time warp #LaineT @D_Higgins_Duco @Tyson_Fury @Shaun_Johnson90 @KaylaCullen12 @ardiesavea @realdealmada @johntui1 @Michael_Buffer @CourtneyTairi @DavidNyika @EddieHearn ����: #MagicManKerryRussellTV pic.twitter.com/ICRweE0Ic2

— Joseph Parker (@joeboxerparker) April 22, 2020

Ticking off my ‘To-Do List’ ✅ #StepBrothersMovie ����: #KerryRussellTV pic.twitter.com/uT83BctME5

— Joseph Parker (@joeboxerparker) April 14, 2020

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

Thanks my man. Something is off with all of this (live in Alabama btw), no way Covid just showed up in Washington a month ago. Accurate antibody testing will be the key to this whole jigsaw puzzle, and I’d say what you described sounds a lot like what I’ve been experiencing. The strange thing is my energy levels are exponentially better now than they were, I was beyond exhausted like you described. Hope the Levofloxacin cleans out the pneumonia and gets me to 100% quickly, because if this isnt Covid, there’s some other serious and contagious respiratory ailments making the rounds.

Glad you are feeling better. It's not really strange at all. It started in China in Dec and January.

The first case outside of China was found in Thailand on January 13th.

January 31st is when Chinese tourists were thought to have brought it to Italy.

Late February it was first found to have community spread on the West Coast in the United States.

Sure, it was in the United States before March 1st - but only in a very limited capacity which wasn't effecting our health systems and was only community spreading in certain clusters. A virus can only move so fast.

A very normal progression of such a virus based on it's R0 value.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

Thanks my man. Something is off with all of this (live in Alabama btw), no way Covid just showed up in Washington a month ago. Accurate antibody testing will be the key to this whole jigsaw puzzle, and I’d say what you described sounds a lot like what I’ve been experiencing. The strange thing is my energy levels are exponentially better now than they were, I was beyond exhausted like you described. Hope the Levofloxacin cleans out the pneumonia and gets me to 100% quickly, because if this isnt Covid, there’s some other serious and contagious respiratory ailments making the rounds.

Just taking a wild stab at things but maybe you had covid, got over it, then developed a secondary infection?

Not running a fever is a puzzler though.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Glad you are feeling better. It's not really strange at all. It started in China in Dec and January.

The first case outside of China was found in Thailand on January 13th.

January 31st is when Chinese tourists were thought to have brought it to Italy.

Late February it was first found to have community spread on the West Coast in the United States.

Sure, it was in the United States before March 1st - but only in a very limited capacity which wasn't effecting our health systems and was only community spreading in certain clusters. A virus can only move so fast.

A very normal progression of such a virus based on it's R0 value.

As of now and from what they know, which is little

WA...Jan 21
Illinois...Jan 26
CA...Jan 26
AZ...Jan 26


This thing was here well before March