***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by notorious

Yep.

What I am about to say will probably be the most despicable thing in this thread, but there’s a lot of truth.

I am going to remove all emotion.


It’s everywhere, and will kill off many elderly people. There are several economical benefits. Money will be passed on and spent by younger people, Medicare and Social Security will have a great load relieved from them.

The economy is going to have a massive boost simply due to the movement of somewhat previously stagnant money. A lot of property that old people have sat on will be sold.

It’s like the burning of a forest. It sucks, but it will grow back stronger than before.


I love my parents, and I don’t want their money. I want them around as long as possible.

It might become our new normal and we might have to deal with 200k deaths a year , the hope I guess is delaying trying to find a better plan

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Monticore

It might become our new normal and we might have to deal with 200k deaths a year , the hope I guess is delaying trying to find a better plan

I don't think most of us would even notice 200K deaths a year.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

This isn't true at all.

I didn't know you were the authority on that.....

[dirk digler]

The FDA just approved emergency use for remdesivir

[Donger]

More new cases in Illinois today than in New York or New Jersey.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I may need to head down to North County because the shelves are mostly empty here in LA.

And there's no toilet paper to be found anywhere, same with napkins.

I'll hook you up, Dane. I got Kirkland...good stuff. $9.99 a roll + shipping and handling. But WAIT!!!! If you act now I'll throw in an additional roll plus a roll of Scott Value totally free!!!! Just pay a separate shipping fee.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I didn't know you were the authority on that.....

All you have to do is pay attention.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by notorious

Yep.

What I am about to say will probably be the most despicable thing in this thread, but there’s a lot of truth.

I am going to remove all emotion.


It’s everywhere, and will kill off many elderly people. There are several economical benefits. Money will be passed on and spent by younger people, Medicare and Social Security will have a great load relieved from them.

The economy is going to have a massive boost simply due to the movement of somewhat previously stagnant money. A lot of property that old people have sat on will be sold.

It’s like the burning of a forest. It sucks, but it will grow back stronger than before.


I love my parents, and I don’t want their money. I want them around as long as possible.

I kind of thought the opposite. Old people dying that own property will decrease property values. It lowers demand, and younger people don't typically choose to live in single family homes at least at the same percentage as those older.

[petegz28]

For those of you who might be interested about 3-4 weeks ago Mo went from 28-21 in total cases. Today they slid back to 24th

[notorious]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I kind of thought the opposite. Old people dying that own property will decrease property values. It lowers demand, and younger people don't typically choose to live in single family homes at least at the same percentage as those older.

But the property will change hands. Movement of money and property is a good thing, especially for tax revenue.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Went to our local butcher just a little bit ago and mother****ers are making a run on beef. I was lucky and got a couple of nice filets for this weekend and a couple of pounds of beef. People need to chill.

Yep, meat is the new TP. Let the hoarding begin.

[notorious]

The huge subject coming over the horizon is going to be school funding.

Tax revenue is going to be down.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by notorious

The huge subject coming over the horizon is going to be school funding.

Tax revenue is going to be down.

I am not debating if we needed a shutdown or not but we definitely shot first and aimed second and continue to do so

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by BWillie

8 states expiring today or tomorrow, no state has reached white house threshold of 14 day decline in cases.

Yet they are doing it anyway.

I was out and about an hour ago and I can tell you for sure, people around here had said **** this! The traffic flow was the same as pre-covid. The grocery store wasn't bad though. I did wonder back to the meat section, as of now, it's fine. I didn't end up buying any meat.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I am not debating if we needed a shutdown or not but we definitely shot first and aimed second and continue to do so

Kansas schools are good until the financial year end coming up in a few months. Almost everyone in state school system has been paid for staying at home instead of filing for unemployment.

It is going to be interesting to see how we budget for the upcoming year.