***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Went to our local butcher just a little bit ago and mother****ers are making a run on beef. I was lucky and got a couple of nice filets for this weekend and a couple of pounds of beef. People need to chill.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BWillie

If you don't think social distancing prevents the spread of infectious diseases, I'm not sure what else I can say to you for you to believe me.

Do you think that sitting in your home, the virus will come knock on your door and force its way into your lungs? Social distancing always works. The degree it works depends on how drastic the measures are. We have greatly diminished this from moving forward, especially since it was during the cold and flu season.

Every thing you do affects the spread. Leave everything open, way more are effected. If you ONLY shut schools down and left all businesses open it would still decrease the spread. It is a sliding scale on the degree of social distancing a state or country implements.

We are moving out of that and into spring & summer when coronaviruses do not spread AS EASILY. But we still do not know for sure how this novel virus will react. When states & non-essential businesses reopen we can expect more cases.

If you want to re-open the economy. Fine. If you are fine with hundreds of thousands, potentially millions dying from a virus because you believe your way of life or economic prosperity is more beneficial than the consequences. Also fine. That is up to your own personal ideology and of opinion. Indicating social distancing does not work and we have not mitigated the spread of the virus by what we have done so far is just plain ignorant.

Hundreds of thousands are going to die without regard to lockdowns, considering the timeline of the outbreak is indefinite.

But I'm glad you admit that the whole point of a lockdown wasn't to prevent an overload of the health care system, since Kansas City hasn't even bothered to prepare for any sort of contingency plan for that scenario with the six weeks of time created by flattening the curve.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Went to our local butcher just a little bit ago and mother****ers are making a run on beef. I was lucky and got a couple of nice filets for this weekend and a couple of pounds of beef. People need to chill.

My area is completely stocked with everything. The shelves are full. No shortage of any meat, milk, eggs etc here.

Hell, my favorite local market even has a full aisle of shit paper. I was gonna take a pic and share on CP but that'd be mean.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Hundreds of thousands are going to die without regard to lockdowns, considering the timeline of the outbreak is indefinite.

But I'm glad you admit that the whole point of a lockdown wasn't to prevent an overload of the health care system, since Kansas City hasn't even bothered to prepare for any sort of contingency plan for that scenario with the six weeks of time created by flattening the curve.

I don't exactly get what you mean that KC has not prepared for this. Have not followed the Missouri side, but off the Johnson County website, the hospitals they are monitoring in the area have 910 surge beds that have never been touched as total unused beds has never fallen below 14%. The metro on the Kansas side has been sitting and waiting from what I can gather.

[BWillie]

8 states expiring today or tomorrow, no state has reached white house threshold of 14 day decline in cases.

Yet they are doing it anyway.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by kgrund

I don't exactly get what you mean that KC has not prepared for this. Have not followed the Missouri side, but off the Johnson County website, the hospitals they are monitoring in the area have 910 surge beds that have never been touched as total unused beds has never fallen below 14%. The metro on the Kansas side has been sitting and waiting from what I can gather.

I am fairly confident that there isn't a KC equivalent of the Javits' Center ready to go right now.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

I am fairly confident that there isn't a KC equivalent of the Javits' Center ready to go right now.

Why would you need it? Again on the Kansas side they have over 910 beds for the "spike" that are collecting dust. They have never been touched. They were more than ready.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BWillie

8 states expiring today or tomorrow, no state has reached white house threshold of 14 day decline in cases.

Yet they are doing it anyway.

Good news man, you can stay in your house as long as you want.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

My area is completely stocked with everything. The shelves are full. No shortage of any meat, milk, eggs etc here.

Hell, my favorite local market even has a full aisle of shit paper. I was gonna take a pic and share on CP but that'd be mean.

Here I was just needing to get out of the house so I thought since it was going to be nice this weekend grab a couple of nice filets because this butcher is awesome. They do great business but they are never busy at one time but today, yep had a line and their cases were almost empty. wtf..I haven't ventured out to Wallyworld yet but I am sure it is the same way.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by kgrund

Why would you need it? Again on the Kansas side they have over 910 beds for the "spike" that are collecting dust. They have never been touched. They were more than ready.

Thats 7x more beds than people that have died in Kansas.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

My area is completely stocked with everything. The shelves are full. No shortage of any meat, milk, eggs etc here.

Hell, my favorite local market even has a full aisle of shit paper. I was gonna take a pic and share on CP but that'd be mean.

I may need to head down to North County because the shelves are mostly empty here in LA.

And there's no toilet paper to be found anywhere, same with napkins.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Here I was just needing to get out of the house so I thought since it was going to be nice this weekend grab a couple of nice filets because this butcher is awesome. They do great business but they are never busy at one time but today, yep had a line and their cases were almost empty. wtf..I haven't ventured out to Wallyworld yet but I am sure it is the same way.

Yeah Walmart sucks. I avoid that place as much as i can because of course, they make you wait in line....6' apart. Takes forever just to get in the damn place and they STILL don't have any shit paper.

I went two weeks ago because i needed some decent hair clippers for my dog. Sucked hard.

[farmerchief]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Good news man, you can stay in your house as long as you want.

Not me, We Farmers are outstanding in our field!

[ChiliConCarnage]

Originally Posted by BWillie

8 states expiring today or tomorrow, no state has reached white house threshold of 14 day decline in cases.

Yet they are doing it anyway.

Because they’re going broke, can’t print their own money, and were told to go pound sand by Congress. Really only leaves one option to get cash.

We’ve gotta try opening up at some point

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Yeah Walmart sucks. I avoid that place as much as i can because of course, they make you wait in line....6' apart. Takes forever just to get in the damn place and they STILL don't have any shit paper.

I went two weeks ago because i needed some decent hair clippers for my dog. Sucked hard.

I hate going to Walmart but when you live in a small town you have no choice. Lately though they have been having alot of toilet paper so I guess that run was over.