***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage

I find it feels good so many were asymptomatic but also scary for when we open. They spread it to the family, kids and S/O go spread it at school and work. It seems hard to imagine were not going to see ongoing regional lockdowns all the time.

And as I understand it, those who are asymptomatic tend to carry a weaker strain of the virus so if you're gonna spread it than that's the one to spread

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by petegz28

My favorites are the celebrities saying how we are all in this together and to just stay inside. Never mind their inside is several thousand square feet bigger and what not.

You suffer in your tiny living room while I suffer in my 2,000 square foot man cave with full wet bar or lounge around my pool, etc.

Completely out of touch people do out of touch things, all that at and more on tonight's KABC News at 11.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And that is just life. We are not going to be able to chase down every asymptomatic person. The good side of that is they have it and it isn't effecting them so let's not lose sight of that even though I know what the obvious bad side is.

Some of those might develop symptoms at some point , I wonder if they will track them to see.

[ChiliConCarnage]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And as I understand it, those who are asymptomatic tend to carry a weaker strain of the virus so if you're gonna spread it than that's the one to spread

brb, headed to St Joe to be coughed on. Willing to pay top dollar

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And as I understand it, those who are asymptomatic tend to carry a weaker strain of the virus so if you're gonna spread it than that's the one to spread

I haven't seen that verified anywhere.

You have a link?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Some of those might develop symptoms at some point , I wonder if they will track them to see.

Perhaps but the point is you're not going to track down every person who has this and is asymptomatic.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

My favorites are the celebrities saying how we are all in this together and to just stay inside. Never mind their inside is several thousand square feet bigger and what not.

You suffer in your tiny living room while I suffer in my 2,000 square foot man cave with full wet bar or lounge around my pool, etc.

Just stay inside...we're all in this together..

Sounds like jealousy.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

And is that a bad thing in your estimation?

Not too concerned about a truck driver protest, mostly unfortunate timing on my part to venture out. The potential for mass murder rampages is a bit more concerning though.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Sounds like jealousy.

You shouldn't be jealous

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I just like this meme....love the kid's face

The projections were low. Just a week and a half ago our government advised based on modeling they used they expected 60-65k deaths total. We are already at more than that and rising fast.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Perhaps but the point is you're not going to track down every person who has this and is asymptomatic.

No but having more info wouldn't hurt with the decision process, I hope their family and friends get tested as well.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

I haven't seen that verified anywhere.

You have a link?

No, saw it on some talking head show somewhere

[POND_OF_RED]

Found a rare restaurant open for dine in at the airport. They removed seating at the bar and closed tables for distancing. All the available seats are taken and there are about 10 people distancing themselves outside of the bar waiting to dine in as well. I think it’s safe to say a lot of people are so ready to get back to any semblance of normal.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

You shouldn't be jealous

I do feel for the people living in tiny downtown apartments though, especially if they have kids and a wife.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BWillie

The projections were low. Just a week and a half ago our government advised based on modeling they used they expected 60-65k deaths total. We are already at more than that and rising fast.

That was before or after the 2 million?