***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BWillie]

My mom is mad at me because I won't come up for my grandma's 80th birthday party in a week in a half in Iowa. She said it's okay because they are reopening. She said.

I can't think of a dumber thing to do right now for an 80 year old woman. I'm afraid this is going to be happening all over.

[Monticore]

article about lockdowns pros and cons just more info or the same info depending on the person.
https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...to-their-homes

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Do you go golfing during a lighting storm? the odds of getting hit are pretty low but most people still take precautions.

Correct, but if there is a lightning storm in New York, I would still go golfing in Iowa. If their was a lightning storm at the meat packing plant in Iowa, I would still go golfing 120 miles from there...

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by R Clark

Yeah lol I’ve got three beefs to take to locker in aug. and no one to buy them. Had buyers lined up and they all canceled.

Where are you located?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Correct, but if there is a lightning storm in New York, I would still go golfing in Iowa. If their was a lightning storm at the meat packing plan in Iowa, I would still go golfing 120 miles from there...

That storm will move though in a unpredictable fashion and even end up in Iowa. But I do think some places could open up figuring out the best way to do it as to not have a relapse is tricky.

[Discuss Thrower]

Missouri's Rt at .78, not that that means anything apparently.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Missouri's Rt at .78, not that that means anything apparently.

It means something. It means that the mitigation efforts have worked.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Donger

It means something. It means that the mitigation efforts have worked.

Great. Explain why KC's cases keep increasing at a steady 4% rate.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Great. Explain why KC's cases keep increasing at a steady 4% rate.

Because metro areas get hit harder than the rest of the state.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Donger

Because metro areas get hit harder than the rest of the state.

The metros, (both of them) shut down before the rest of the state. STL is doing worse when controlling for population size and KC is apparently more in line with Kansas' Rt than the rest of Missouri.

So in the end, Rt doesn't mean anything, since six weeks of official lockdown hasn't really accomplished anything here in Kansas City -and especially STL since it's getting higher numbers of cases even after you control for population size- since 'mitigation' cannot be measured by any objective basis.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The metros, (both of them) shut down before the rest of the state. STL is doing worse when controlling for population size and KC is apparently more in line with Kansas' Rt than the rest of Missouri.

So in the end, Rt doesn't mean anything, since six weeks of official lockdown hasn't really accomplished anything here in Kansas City -and especially STL since it's getting higher numbers of cases even after you control for population size- since 'mitigation' cannot be measured by any objective basis.

I think it's pretty clear that the R0 for major metros are going to be higher than rural parts of the state. That's just logic.

Are you arguing that the R0 numbers would have declined as that website shows without mitigation in the same time frame?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The metros, (both of them) shut down before the rest of the state. STL is doing worse when controlling for population size and KC is apparently more in line with Kansas' Rt than the rest of Missouri.

So in the end, Rt doesn't mean anything, since six weeks of official lockdown hasn't really accomplished anything here in Kansas City -and especially STL since it's getting higher numbers of cases even after you control for population size- since 'mitigation' cannot be measured by any objective basis.

I hope you have my $10,000 real dollars ready to roll.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by TLO

I hope you have my $10,000 real dollars ready to roll.

You'll have to accept delivery of gold pressed latinum, FYI.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Donger

I think it's pretty clear that the R0 for major metros are going to be higher than rural parts of the state. That's just logic.

Are you arguing that the R0 numbers would have declined as that website shows without mitigation in the same time frame?

Sounds like the website has built a flawed model.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Sounds like the website has built a flawed model.

I presume it takes the metro areas into account. They are state-wide numbers, no?