***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Spott

Was the half-pipe nice? Did your Dad do a good job on the transitions and the coping?

It was as nice as any half pipe I'd seen at any skate park. I thought it was the coolest thing in the world. My Dad has always been amazing at building stuff. (He's currently building a house/barn for him and my Mom, pretty much by himself.)

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

That information isn't released, at least not right now. No information whatsoever other than 3 people hospitalized.

I'd be curious to know. They shut the plant down, right?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I'd be curious to know. They shut the plant down, right?

Nope. Still up and running.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Terrific economic news:



Powell: "Don't save money people!"



Source

I agree we need to be spending but when you have no idea when or even if you are going to have a job why would people spend?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

And neither is a vaccine.

60 years since the human coronavirus family was discovered and there has not been a single effective/scalable vaccine created for any type of coronavirus.

SOme how people keep glossing over this little point

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

Nope. Still up and running.

Good. That's actually good. My BIL works for Hy-Vee and he said kiss beef goodbye for a while and maybe even pork.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

And neither is a vaccine.

60 years since the human coronavirus family was discovered and there has not been a single effective/scalable vaccine created for any type of coronavirus.

You might be right , but technology and science has improved to the point that one is possible, they are doing human trials I think right now. They had a potential one with SARS but the cost was too much for companies to commit to the expense with it looking like SARS was dying out.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

SOme how people keep glossing over this little point

The most logical thing I have heard about this is a vaccine would be nice but we have a much better chance at having treatments combined with the virus hopefully mutating to a less deadly form which most viruses tend to do.

A couple scientists I have read said there is a good chance that over time this virus will cause what we call the common cold and not the deadly reactions we are seeing today but that will take time.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Good. That's actually good. My BIL works for Hy-Vee and he said kiss beef goodbye for a while and maybe even pork.

my guy said the exact opposite.


beef is easy he says. pork not so much

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

my guy said the exact opposite.


beef is easy he says. pork not so much

You'd be hard pressed to find ground beef right now and the price is going through the roof. Pork not so much. But if you can find it, get it.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Monticore

You might be right , but technology and science has improved to the point that one is possible, they are doing human trials I think right now. They had a potential one with SARS but the cost was too much for companies to commit to the expense with it looking like SARS was dying out.

There has been no planning by any "institution" for the contingency that any number of vaccines won't work.

Why is that?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

There has been no planning by any "institution" for the contingency that any number of vaccines won't work.

Why is that?

No clue would have to ask them . are you asking about the financial or medical aspect.

[Donger]

Bill Gates thinks there are 8 to 10 promising coronavirus vaccine candidates and one could be ready in as little as 9 months

https://www.businessinsider.com/bill...didates-2020-5

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Monticore

So if it proves to have little or no side effects other than costs what is the downside to using it even if it doesn't change the mortality rate but could improve recovery ?

Could it be used as a prophylaxis like Tamiflu.

Good question.

Rare side effects won't manifest in a small trial like that. There aren't enough doses yet, either. Increased use leads to increased resistance. Tamiflu is nearly worthless now largely due to overuse and misuse.

There are exceptions. Truvada works as PrEP for HIV because the mutation that emerges actually makes the virus less fit, which is why it can still be used.

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Good. That's actually good. My BIL works for Hy-Vee and he said kiss beef goodbye for a while and maybe even pork.

So I’ve been to busy to watch news or read much, are the packing houses shutting down or what?