***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Per the Chinese study it was very well tolerated. Similar rates of adverse events to placebo.

So if it proves to have little or no side effects other than costs what is the downside to using it even if it doesn't change the mortality rate but could improve recovery ?

Could it be used as a prophylaxis like Tamiflu.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I'll let you in on a secret, there is more than 120......

thats not a secret, dipshit.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

St Joe has gone way up too. But testing 3000 people in one area where you know there are a cluster cases will tend to do that I suppose.

This is like a merry-go-round anymore...

We need to test more...
More tests will show an increase in cases...
We test more....
Indeed more testing shows more cases...
We freak out....
We call for more testing....
We test more...
More tests show more cases...
We freak out....
We call for more testing...

I think we need to remember that most people who get this will be okay. I mean it is a scary situation I get it but we can't act like if you get it then it's an automatic death warrant.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

thats not a secret, dipshit.

You're such a peach....

No shit it's not a secret.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

This is like a merry-go-round anymore...

We need to test more...
More tests will show an increase in cases...
We test more....
Indeed more testing shows more cases...
We freak out....
We call for more testing....
We test more...
More tests show more cases...
We freak out....
We call for more testing...

I think we need to remember that most people who get this will be okay. I mean it is a scary situation I get it but we can't act like if you get it then it's an automatic death warrant.

there arent many people here freaking out about new cases.


it's the deaths. which arent going down much. 2200+ yesterday again.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

You're such a peach....

No shit it's not a secret.

you act like asymptomatic people are a good thing.

i think just the opposite, they have a greater chance of spreading it to people. that should be obvious.


and just because you think you arent at risk of dying from it doesnt mean you wont...

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by petegz28

You're such a peach....

No shit it's not a secret.

Oh he is sweet if that's what you are getting at, but instead of deflecting and changing the subject, how's about you answer this response

Originally Posted by SAUTO

what are you talking about?

at least 120 asymtomatic people walking around not knowing they have it IS a scary thing pete... probably more so in that industry

I know your answer will go against your original point, but that's ok. Admitting you're wrong is a big step.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

you act like asymptomatic people are a good thing.

i think just the opposite, they have a greater chance of spreading it to people. that should be obvious.


and just because you think you arent at risk of dying from it doesnt mean you wont...

No shit, Sherlock. I also don't expect to die from a drunk driver or someone texting when I get in my car but I could. I also don't expect to drop dead from a heart attack, stroke, aneurysm or even a virus I would typically be able to fight off.......but I could.


Thank you for setting me straight. I guess we should all just stay inside until we know every last one of us doesn't have the virus or is dead, right?

[Monticore]

it is very hard to tell sometimes who is at risk, I have had a lot people considered young and healthy when they walked into my room walk out as cancer patients, most people don't know their genetic predispositions among other silent issues , although the human body has can be very resilient it at has been proven very finicky at times.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Oh he is sweet if that's what you are getting at, but instead of deflecting and changing the subject, how's about you answer this response

I have no doubts you have tasted his nectar....

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No shit, Sherlock. I also don't expect to die from a drunk driver or someone texting when I get in my car but I could. I also don't expect to drop dead from a heart attack, stroke, aneurysm or even a virus I would typically be able to fight off.......but I could.


Thank you for setting me straight. I guess we should all just stay inside until we know every last one of us doesn't have the virus or is dead, right?

Do you go golfing during a lighting storm? the odds of getting hit are pretty low but most people still take precautions.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

it is very hard to tell sometimes who is at risk, I have had a lot people considered young and healthy when they walked into my room walk out as cancer patients, most people don't know their genetic predispositions among other silent issues , although the human body has can be very resilient it at has been proven very finicky at times.

Yes it is. And sometimes it's better just not to know. For example, my Mother In Law dropped dead at 53 from an aneurysm. She was completely healthy otherwise. In talking to the doctor he said even if they knew she had it they probably would not have done anything about it because it could actually be more risky and really, you don't even want to know about it because the anxiety from it can cause all kinds of other issues.

None of us is guaranteed to wake up tomorrow. And how many times do we someone who is supposedly healthy drop dead at 50 and someone who is not healthy live to be 90 while smoking 2 packs a day and drinking their dinner? Yes, that's a Grumpy Old Men reference.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Do you go golfing during a lighting storm? the odds of getting hit are pretty low but most people still take precautions.

**** yeah! Don't have to wait on all the hacks in front of me.

[Spott]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Do you go golfing during a lighting storm? the odds of getting hit are pretty low but most people still take precautions.

Why would someone go golfing in the rain?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

**** yeah! Don't have to wait on all the hacks in front of me.

To be honest I have tought about finishing up the last few holes during a storm , but I had 1 strike right behind me during my swing and it scared the shit out of me so I sprinted it in lol.