***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

No I achieved what I set out to do in calling out Mecca for being a gigantic hypocrite for being one of the biggest social distance warriors posting here but still thinking it's okay to risk additional exposure to others by buying stuff he doesn't actually need.

Um, you do realize that delivery services are still active?

I've had as many as six deliveries per day in the past 6 weeks. I'm ordering more items today and have items coming for the next 5 days as of right now.

There's this thing called "The Internet" and it's uses extend just a bit further than a football message board running 12 year old software (or whatever).

JFC.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Who knows. Several members and a few mods have called his dangerous bullshit out yet when I do it 1 mod continues to warn both of us and then Pete goes the personal attack route called out by a few posters. Shit is jokes. Non political thread then links some shit to Glenn Beck lol

You and Pete have been bad boys. I think you both need spanked. That little rat completely ignored my jab at him too.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

That was the Treasury's take on what stimulus was for but I -and anyone with common sense I'd assume- knew that the stimulus was meant to keep food on the table or, at worst, give someone some rent/mortgage money to get by for a month to buy time to work out a forbearance or find another living arrangement.

No.

Giving people who earn in excess of $150K per year "Stimulus Money" wasn't to "keep food on the table", it was so those people would put it back into the economy in order to stave off a recession for just a little while longer.

If the idea was to put "food on the table" for those in need, the bar would have been set far lower and most certainly under $100k.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Um, you do realize that delivery services are still active?

I've had as many as six deliveries per day in the past 6 weeks. I'm ordering more items today and have items coming for the next 5 days as of right now.

There's this thing called "The Internet" and it's uses extend just a bit further than a football message board running 12 year old software (or whatever).

JFC.

I have no problem with anyone having actual necessities sent to their homes. The people working the supply lines are at risk, and that sucks, but its not like the government provided any alternative to that so it's the best of a bad situation.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

No I achieved what I set out to do in calling out Mecca for being a gigantic hypocrite for being one of the biggest social distance warriors posting here but still thinking it's okay to risk additional exposure to others by buying stuff he doesn't actually need.

Are you against people buying luxury goods on the internet at a time like this? I don't know if Mecca is talking about going to the store to buy a soundbar or not, but if you are worried about buying things and things being delivered to your house during this pandemic then there is just a lack of understanding of how this virus is primarily spread.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Out of curiosity, a friend of mine keeps calling me and bitching that his internet is laggy, keeps ****ing up etc etc, mind you he always has issues with it..

Yes.

I have Spectrum "up to 500 mbps", which generally checks in around 450-475 but it's been lagging at times and slow, probably because I've got two kids in Zoom classrooms all day while my wife is working from a server, but it's definitely less responsive than normal.

All of my neighbors are home so I'm sure that's part of it as well.

[TLO]

IMHE is throwing in the towel on Missouri and several other states due to places opening back up for business.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/unite...erica/missouri

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yes.

I have Spectrum "up to 500 mbps", which generally checks in around 450-475 but it's been lagging at times and slow, probably because I've got two kids in Zoom classrooms all day while my wife is working from a server, but it's definitely less responsive than normal.

All of my neighbors are home so I'm sure that's part of it as well.

I am jealous, I pay 90$ a month for 50mbps.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I am jealous, I pay 90$ a month for 50mbps.

Ouch.

I have the 500 mbps package through United Fiber. (I live just North of St Joe, which is a town of roughly 75k people)

We pay about $60 per month.

There have been periods of slowdowns, but only when they've been doing maintenance.

I love having fast internet.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

I have no problem with anyone having actual necessities sent to their homes. The people working the supply lines are at risk, and that sucks, but its not like the government provided any alternative to that so it's the best of a bad situation.

90% of the goods in my home have been ordered via the internet and delivered to my home. I've place more than 85 orders since January 1st on Amazon alone and I've returned exactly one item because it was damaged in shipping.

Ordering non-essential items for delivery is helping to keep businesses running.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No.

Giving people who earn in excess of $150K per year "Stimulus Money" wasn't to "keep food on the table", it was so those people would put it back into the economy in order to stave off a recession for just a little while longer.

If the idea was to put "food on the table" for those in need, the bar would have been set far lower and most certainly under $100k.

The money got phased out the more a person and/or their SO made, so I'm pretty confident the bar was set roughly in the right spot to keep people fed and housed.

And if people who got any amount of stimulus who weren't in a position where they needed it at this time then I hope they put it into savings but that's just moranic of me to think that will actually happen, apparently.

[carlos3652]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I am jealous, I pay 90$ a month for 50mbps.

Wtf... you live in the boonies? I pay $70 for 1000mbps through ATT.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

Wtf... you live in the boonies? I pay $70 for 1000mbps through ATT.

Telecom in Canada is expensive, cellphones, satellite, internet etc... I don't event think you can get over 200 up here.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The money got phased out the more a person and/or their SO made, so I'm pretty confident the bar was set roughly in the right spot to keep people fed and housed.

Married Couples filing Jointly whose AGI is $0-$150k received $1,200 dollars each, or $2,400 per household. If those same couples have children, they receive an additional $500 per child.

Married Couples filing Jointly whose AGI is $150,001-$198,000 receive $600 per adult and $500 per child.

Married Couples whose AGI was greater $198,001 received zero.

If a Married couple whose AGI was greater than $150k needed $1,200 dollars in order to get by for 10 weeks, they have much bigger problems than the pandemic.

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

And if people who got any amount of stimulus who weren't in a position where they needed it at this time then I hope they put it into savings but that's just moranic of me to think that will actually happen, apparently.

And that's the exact opposite reason for providing Stimulus money to those on the upper end of the spectrum. People that can spend the money, should spend the money.

Saving it does absolutely nothing for the economy and in the end, what's $1,200 to people who's AGI is greater than $150k?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Telecom in Canada is expensive, cellphones, satellite, internet etc... I don't event think you can get over 200 up here.

Yeah, I had a good friend that lived on Victoria Island earlier this decade and the only internet service available to him was via satellite, which was slow and expensive.