***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Discuss Thrower]

I doubt the places ordering takeout are breaking even. 10/10/10 basically means an indefinite extension of carry-out business.

Gonna be a lot more non-chain shops shutting down for good.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Because I think you are one of many that are being paid to sit on your ass and don't want things lifted because you'll actually have to work again. Just a hunch. I could be wrong but you won't answer the question.

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You're dumb.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I shouldn't have to spell out the subtext for you.

Yes, you should. Are the businesses we are going to intentionally handicap going to be given aid to deal with said handicap?

In other words, Hamas, it's real easy to tell a business to operated at half or less than half capacity an deal with it when it doesn't impact you. But go with your snarky, BS comments because you know I have a point and you just don't like nor have a good answer for it.

[Kidd Lex]

https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1...154224641?s=21

This video nails the point that although the gains are modest, they are something to build on and show with statistical significance for the 1st time that the virus can be treated with pharmaceuticals. Pretty cool that they can now work on combining this with anti-inflammatory meds and what not and start to see the winning combo to stop/slow the Covid-19 deaths. Somebody said it in here that there won’t be a magic bullet that ends this pandemic but instead a combo of therapeutics and vaccine options. One step forward.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

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You're dumb.

But I'll never be quite as dumb as you.......so I got that going for me

[loochy]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

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You're dumb.

Is he? I'm pretty sure he's close to a version of the truth on that one. I'm also pretty sure I've seen Billay state he works from home. If you're able to work from home the absolutely you aren't feeling the same kind of crunch as people that are out of a job. I think maybe Pete just needs to choose his words better instead of coming out in such an accusatory fashion.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1...154224641?s=21

This video nails the point that although the gains are modest, they are something to build on and show with statistical significance for the 1st time that the virus can be treated with pharmaceuticals. Pretty cool that they can now work on combining this with anti-inflammatory meds and what not and start to see the winning combo to stop/slow the Covid-19 deaths. Somebody said it in here that there won’t be a magic bullet that ends this pandemic but instead a combo of therapeutics and vaccine options. One step forward.

Don't you listen to the media talking experts??? They call it a "cocktail"......

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by loochy

Is he? I'm pretty sure he's close to the truth on that one. I'm also pretty sure I've seen Billay state he works from home. If you're able to work from home the absolutely you aren't feeling the same kind of crunch as people that are out of a job. I think maybe Pete just needs to choose his words better instead of coming out in such an accusatory fashion.

Well I have asked him twice if he was working from home or being paid to stay at home and he won't answer the question.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by loochy

Is he? I'm pretty sure he's close to the truth on that one. I'm also pretty sure I've seen Billay state he works from home. If you're able to work from home the absolutely you aren't feeling the same kind of crunch as people that are out of a job. I think maybe Pete just needs to choose his words better instead of coming out in such an accusatory fashion.

Yes he is.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yes, you should. Are the businesses we are going to intentionally handicap going to be given aid to deal with said handicap?

In other words, Hamas, it's real easy to tell a business to operated at half or less than half capacity an deal with it when it doesn't impact you. But go with your snarky, BS comments because you know I have a point and you just don't like nor have a good answer for it.

Okay, I guess you can't understand the subtext.

Let them operate at full capacity without restrictions and see what happens. You'll end up with another lockdown, just like happened in Japan. Then you're worse off than if you never lifted it in the first place.

Stop taking the therapy after a few days and watch the infection bounce back worse than it was before.

It's no different.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Okay, I guess you can't understand the subtext.

Let them operate at full capacity without restrictions and see what happens. You'll end up with another lockdown, just like happened in Japan. Then you're worse off than if you never lifted it in the first place.

Stop taking the therapy after a few days and watch the infection bounce back worse than it was before.

It's no different.

Dr.Archer referenced this today in his press conference and used Toronro 2003 SARS outbreak as the example. The 2nd wave was responsible for almost 2/3rds of the deaths IIRC

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1...154224641?s=21

This video nails the point that although the gains are modest, they are something to build on and show with statistical significance for the 1st time that the virus can be treated with pharmaceuticals. Pretty cool that they can now work on combining this with anti-inflammatory meds and what not and start to see the winning combo to stop/slow the Covid-19 deaths. Somebody said it in here that there won’t be a magic bullet that ends this pandemic but instead a combo of therapeutics and vaccine options. One step forward.

Yep. Thank you for sharing and we need more positive news

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Okay, I guess you can't understand the subtext.

Let them operate at full capacity without restrictions and see what happens. You'll end up with another lockdown, just like happened in Japan. Then you're worse off than if you never lifted it in the first place.

Stop taking the therapy after a few days and watch the infection bounce back worse than it was before.

It's no different.

Okay I guess you didn't actually read what I said. It isn't an either or no matter how much you want to plant that straw man. why is it not possible to have them operate at lesser capacity and give them aid at the same time?

It's not an all or nothing deal, Hamas. And someone as smart as you should get that rather easily.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Because I think you are one of many that are being paid to sit on your ass and don't want things lifted because you'll actually have to work again. Just a hunch. I could be wrong but you won't answer the question.

Classy.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Okay I guess you didn't actually read what I said. It isn't an either or no matter how much you want to plant that straw man. why is it not possible to have them operate at lesser capacity and give them aid at the same time?

It's not an all or nothing deal, Hamas. And someone as smart as you should get that rather easily.

If it's not an all-or-nothing proposition, why are you bitching about restaurants having limited capacity, which is the definition of a middle ground?