***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[PAChiefsGuy]

Coronavirus vaccine could be ready as early as September, report says

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coron...er-report-says

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I understand that but doesn't mean it is not affecting other ages brackets more than the flu more or causing more hospitalizations, average days spent on a vent etc.. you are skipping over some of the issues with COVID and focusing on just 1 aspect.

Again, reread all my post in here... I've never ignored that, and in fact, stated we need to have policy in place to protect those that are vulnerable so they can be healthy and economically sustained. However, having 600 unemployed for every Covid-19 death is not sustainable and will lead to much bigger health and societal problems.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Gonna pick a fight here. What if someone offs themselves due to depression of losing their job or business because everything got shut down because of Covid?

Or

What about people afraid to go to hospitals to get treatment for something non-Covid related and end up dying?


Point is with the way things are right now, you can die because of Covid the same as you can from Covid. And these are the things some doctors and medical professionals have been trying to draw attention too.

You know what I meant .

[banyon]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No, not exactly. There are a lot of covid related deaths where the person never contracted covid.

That wasn't the topic petey.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

You know what I meant .

Do I???

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Coronavirus vaccine could be ready as early as September, report says

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coron...er-report-says

As with any of these, I really wish they'd be more specific in their language. What does "ready" mean? I'm confident it doesn't mean that they'll have 7 billion doses of it available. It doesn't really matter if they have a vaccine that works if it can't be mass produced with speed, so these articles don't really tell me much.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by banyon

That wasn't the topic petey.

Doesn't justify stating inaccurate facts but you go on now....

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

As with any of these, I really wish they'd be more specific in their language. What does "ready" mean? I'm confident it doesn't mean that they'll have 7 billion doses of it available. It doesn't really matter if they have a vaccine that works if it can't be mass produced with speed, so these articles don't really tell me much.

I've not heard anyone say a vaccine would be ready this year at any time. As much as I'd like this to be true you have to question.....

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Again, reread all my post in here... I've never ignored that, and in fact, stated we need to have policy in place to protect those that are vulnerable so they can be healthy and economically sustained. However, having 600 unemployed for every Covid-19 death is not sustainable and will lead to much bigger health and societal problems.

By focusing on this 1 small aspect you are trying to minimize it. How many of those 600 will be able to find a job in the future( hard to predict) .

Fear mongering in an equal and opposite direction is still fear mongering.

[banyon]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Doesn't justify stating inaccurate facts but you go on now....

What inaccurate fact did I state? Agreeing with someone's post? Does that commit me to every proposition in his post or something?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Do I???

You are right you never know with you.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by DaFace

As with any of these, I really wish they'd be more specific in their language. What does "ready" mean? I'm confident it doesn't mean that they'll have 7 billion doses of it available. It doesn't really matter if they have a vaccine that works if it can't be mass produced with speed, so these articles don't really tell me much.

If this puppy works Bill Gates better get the production line fired up.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by TLO

If this puppy works Bill Gates better get the production line fired up.

I know that's the plan - they'll start cranking out as much as possible even when trials are happening in hopes of being ready when the time comes. Even from them, though, I haven't really heard a lot about timing and scaling.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

This may be the 5th time I've linked this: AGAIN..

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-pandemic.html


https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccinat...ion_qa_pub.htm



Shoot, we can look to this years Flu...

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/0...-young-adults/

maybe the issue is that you're trying to make a definitive statement using numbers that are estimated and the range is crazy. 151k to 500k estimated.

HTF do you come up with anything at that point?

[TLO]

On a more serious note. If they have a vaccine ready by September, I think this would be far and away the fastest vaccine ever created.

I love vaccines. I think they are truly amazing.

But a vaccine created this fast concerns me for safety reasons.

Then again about a month ago I was ready to start throwing every possible theraputic in the book at people to see if it helped. So that probably wasn't very safe thinking.