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07-09-2018, 01:46 PM | #2536 |
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It does matter because if they have a track record of never developing pitching prospects into anything other than marginal starters or great relievers...and with the hitters they can't develop them at all unless they are top 20 in all of prospect lists type of talents..
That doesn't speak great for the future. If we are being honest yes they won a world series in spite of never really fully developing any of their players. |
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07-09-2018, 01:49 PM | #2537 |
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Many of them (like said idiot above) became a fan around 2013-2014.
They hopped on the bandwagon and don't know shit about baseball. I'm glad all of them are leaving now so the rest of us that are left behind won't be stuck conversing with ****ing idiots till the next Royals contender comes along . . . . |
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07-09-2018, 01:54 PM | #2538 | |
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The Astros are a perfect confluence of skill and luck. They've done very few things wrong (Appel instead of Bryant) and a lot of things right (Correa and Bregman) but even those wouldn't have been enough. They needed Justin Verlander to change his mind 3 minutes before a deadline. They needed Charlie Morton to do...well whatever the hell Charlie Morton has managed to do. Bregman and Correa had to hit their apex ability. Altuve had to go from an interesting story to a nice little player to arguably the most valuable player in baseball (given his position scarcity). They simply haven't taken any bad breaks along the way. |
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07-09-2018, 02:02 PM | #2539 | |
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Building a winner will always take luck but when they've had so many guys develop so well there is something they are doing properly. The only real high profile prospect they had that I can think of truly busting was Singleton. |
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07-09-2018, 02:21 PM | #2540 |
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They simply haven't taken any bad breaks along the way.
Uh.....game 4 2015 ALDS???? |
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07-09-2018, 02:23 PM | #2541 |
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I totally agree they've done a terrible job developing pitchers but it's not like the hitters have been horrible. Cain and Moose turned into about what we thought. There were worries Salvy would never hit but he did. Gordon was a 25-30 WAR player in the five years leading up to the championship. Hosmer didn't become quite the superstar we thought but he wasn't a bust by any stretch.
I don't get where that criticism comes from. They haven't had an Altuve but they've developed major league hitters. They set out to build a team that plays great defense and puts the ball in play, and they went out and did exactly that. They were the best defense in the league and they were by far the best team at not striking out by a large margin. |
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07-09-2018, 02:27 PM | #2542 | |
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They'll even out once they see this is just a regular trend for Hos. If he has a chance for any postseason brilliance, he'll win them over easily. |
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07-09-2018, 02:32 PM | #2543 | |
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07-09-2018, 02:45 PM | #2544 | |
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I know it's hard to develop players, but I can't exactly say I'm confident in our system. Escobar and Perez both used to be .300 hitters, I struggle to understand why they've fallen off so much so quickly. It seems like we are hardly able to develop any solid all around hitters who have good plate discipline and can work the count. It's why I'm so critical and skeptical of Matias, Pratto, and Melendez. They're still young, but I won't believe any of them can improve much on their 30%+ strikeout rates and low averages when very few hitters in our system have shown a lot of progression. I don't know nearly enough about baseball to know what the problem is, but I'd be willing to guess our player development system is archaic and we probably don't rely on advanced metrics as much as we should. But, I could be wrong. |
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07-09-2018, 03:07 PM | #2545 |
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07-09-2018, 03:11 PM | #2546 |
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I kind of get what Mecca is saying.
It seems that the royals organization has difficulty developing players. I think it's a legitimate statement. Yes, we won a WS.....but if we had more "hits" in the draft and/or developed better, would it be more than 2 playoff appearances in past 32 years? I'm still riding the high of the '14 and '15 seasons - but I'm also a realist. There are other small market teams that seem to make better moves, better draft picks, better development - on a more consistent basis than the royals. |
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07-09-2018, 03:13 PM | #2547 | |
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07-09-2018, 03:21 PM | #2548 |
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07-09-2018, 03:34 PM | #2549 |
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This may be the most Kansas City sports discussion ever. Making excuses for why they won a championship.
I agree they didn't have an Altuve or Judge type player but there's no one formula to win in baseball. That's the beauty of it. They beat an Angels team that had the best record in the league and the best baseball player in the universe. None of these teams have a player better than Trout. They didn't just win, they swept them. They beat a Blue Jays team that was loaded with offensive stars. I'm pretty confident they could have held their own against any of these recent champs. They had a lineup of All-Star or nearly All-Star caliber players hitting 1-9 and probably the best bullpen in recent history. If we had a lead after 5 it was over. They could have held their own. There's a reason why Joe Buck said the 15 Royals might be the best team he's ever covered. |
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07-09-2018, 03:38 PM | #2550 | |
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