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I love your mom
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Sturgeon Falls, Ontario
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Fighting a virus like COVID-19 puts you at risk to getting things like bacterial pneumonia or inflammatory changes that can causes long term damage to organs or damage your lungs some of those are not worth the risk of building up your immune system. |
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#25187 | |
Kind of a mod
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Donkey Land
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#25188 | |
Now you've pissed me off!
Join Date: Jan 2006
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You don't need enough people to get it to develop herd immunity (which lasts 1-2 years with every other known coronavirus in humans), you need to establish practices that reduce the effective R to the point where the virus doesn't spread easily. If the R0 is 3 without any measures in place, you'd need 2/3 of the population to get the virus. If you have a system in place of mask wearing and hand washing and you can reduce the R to less than one, the virus dies out. If you can only reduce it to 1.5, then you only need 1/3 of the population to get the virus. That's a difference of 110 million infections even with an Re of 1.5. With an IFR of only 0.2 (and it's likely higher than that by a fair number), that's 220,000 fewer deaths. |
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#25189 | |
The Beast Inside Your Head
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Parts Unknown
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There needs to he a happy medium. I think most sensible people that see the big picture agree with that. |
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#25190 |
I love your mom
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Sturgeon Falls, Ontario
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I don't want to boost my immunity to cold sores by getting genital herpes.
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#25191 |
Now you've pissed me off!
Join Date: Jan 2006
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That's not what he's saying, either. He was critical of Sweden's approach, which itself is still more limited than "turning the others loose."
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#25192 | |
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Olathe, Ks
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#25193 |
I love your mom
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Sturgeon Falls, Ontario
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I have no issues with that the problem is we need to lock up stupid people as well because if we have to rely on the average person to not put at risk people in jeopardy it usually doesn't end well.
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#25194 |
Supporter
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Olathe, Ks
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#25195 | |
The Beast Inside Your Head
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Parts Unknown
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I like his quote about you arent stopping deaths just changing the dates. You can nitpick that a bit but in general he is correct given most places arent even close to over burdening the health care facilities. |
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#25196 |
I love your mom
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Sturgeon Falls, Ontario
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In the end we might not get an vaccine or herd immunity and dying from this will become part of life and we move on as normal but I don't think that should be Plan A.
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#25197 | |
The Maintenance Guy
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Renovated Bugeater Estate
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#25198 | |
sorta mod-ish
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: KC North
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#25199 | |
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Olathe, Ks
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I keed, I keed I am not saying go full boar on re-opening and I think most people are not. But we have to move forward. Life is still happening. |
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#25200 | |
I love your mom
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Sturgeon Falls, Ontario
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My vote is having measures in place early but some might disagree. |
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