***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Im not sure why you're being such a douche bag about this when it's clear that numbers go down on Sun & Mon, then Tues they go up drastically. Then you say something along the lines of "oh no look at all the deaths in the early report" and someone (usually Sauto) will say it's due to the lag in reporting over the weekend and Monday. Then you argue about it and ask for the evidence. Rinse & repeat

Hamas usually takes the Mondays i miss.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

How many ****ing times are you going to post this today?

They admitted last week that weekend numbers have a lag time. So like i said you compare them to last week. They were down a third from last week which is good. But you can stop trying to instigate at this point.

wow just wow

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Im not sure why you're being such a douche bag about this when it's clear that numbers go down on Sun & Mon, then Tues they go up drastically. Then you say something along the lines of "oh no look at all the deaths in the early report" and someone (usually Sauto) will say it's due to the lag in reporting over the weekend and Monday. Then you argue about it and ask for the evidence. Rinse & repeat

I think you need to read slower

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I guess KU Med is reducing salaries. Sorry but this is the antithesis of what we were told was going to happen even with the mitigation.

Never read anything even remotely close to that.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Never read anything even remotely close to that.

And?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

wow just wow

Here we'll hurry this along this week.


What did you find amusing there? Did you miss where they said there's a weekend lag? Am i wrong that 1100 is almost down a3rd from 1500? Are you trolling at this point?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Here we'll hurry this along this week.


What did you find amusing there? Did you miss where they said there's a weekend lag? Am i wrong that 1100 is almost down a3rd from 1500? Are you trolling at this point?

I am not the one who said anything about the numbers yesterday. PAChiefs posted a report from Cuomo who quoted the Sunday numbers and I said "Sunday numbers..."

Then you guys got all bent out of shape

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by petegz28

wow just wow

Originally Posted by petegz28

I think you need to read slower

Originally Posted by petegz28

And?

You hit the trifecta Pete

The triple tap out

Way to go I never thought I'd see the day where one poster taps out to 3 different people in 3 consecutive posts.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I am not the one who said anything about the numbers yesterday. PAChiefs posted a report from Cuomo who quoted the Sunday numbers and I said "Sunday numbers..."

Then you guys got all bent out of shape

that's not all you did. You posted it at least twice. And it's probably because you're being a sarcastic asshole after being wrong for weeks.

Why not just let it drop at this point?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Here we'll hurry this along this week.


What did you find amusing there? Did you miss where they said there's a weekend lag? Am i wrong that 1100 is almost down a3rd from 1500? Are you trolling at this point?

Sorry, I didn't answer your question. What I found funny is your insistent need to find an argument with me regardless.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It certainly seems like it's far more prevalent than anyone would have originally guessed. I'm still not clear what it really means for society broadly - most areas aren't going to be anywhere near 25%, so it's not like we can just say we'll open everything up 100% and live with the consequences. But regardless, it's nice that there is a ceiling of the numbers of deaths that we can expect even if it's still a very high ceiling.

New York just seems unique in terms of how dense the population is in regards to each other. I would think that would make the point of “herd immunity” needing to be higher there than it would need to be in say, Kansas City to get the RO below 1 so it will die out.

There’s so many multitudes of dynamics at play here that it’s just hard to figure

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

probably because you're being a sarcastic asshole after being wrong for weeks.

Why not just let it drop at this point?

No one is keeping you from dropping it.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No one is keeping you from dropping it.

You keep bringing it up and there won't be anyone keeping people talking about it in the first place.

You're trolling away this point

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

You hit the trifecta Pete

The triple tap out

Way to go I never thought I'd see the day where one poster taps out to 3 different people in 3 consecutive posts.

OOOH did I "tap out"????

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

You keep bringing it up and there won't be anyone keeping people talking about it in the first place.

You're trolling away this point

And you keep opining on it.