David Carr " Chiefs have higher upside with Mahomes"

[Pueblo Chieftan]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

I am Dumbass

He's not even on the same tier as Alex Smith yet.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by Pueblo Chieftan

He's not even on the same tier as Alex Smith yet.

Not too hard to go one and done in the playoffs like Alex does.

[Pueblo Chieftan]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Not too hard to go one and done in the playoffs like Alex does.

And I agree. However, give him another year at least or two (possibly) before expecting him to start. Smith is easily good enough to win a Superbowl this year.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by Pueblo Chieftan

Derek Carr was in the MVP conversation last year. He is the stud of the division. No offense but instant gratification is not the answer to replacing a seasoned veteran. From what I saw of Mahomes he looks like he has potential but he's not ready to start in the NFL and who knows he may never be ready.

He is too jumpy in the pocket and forces the ball in dangerous places.

Forces the ball into dangerous places?

He had one bad decision where he lobbed the ball up into double coverage to Harris

That was it.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Forces the ball into dangerous places?

He had one bad decision where he lobbed the ball up into double coveriage to Harris

That was it.

Something must have happened on the release. Harris was 2 steps behind everyone and not double covered. The last guy got over there very late, as the pass came in like a fair- catch punt. Happened right in front of me at the game. Normal Mahomes pass from that game, and it's game over.

It looked very much like the plays Clay has gifed up from the all22s that show open receivers that Smith doesn't throw to. Mahomes did. But for some reason, Harris had to stop, and another defender came in late to make it look like double coverage. Mahomes leads Harris, and that is an easy TD.

[Pueblo Chieftan]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Forces the ball into dangerous places?

He had one bad decision where he lobbed the ball up into double coverage to Harris

That was it.

He got lucky on that play, too. This game is to close to afford Mahomes an interception returned for a touchdown.

So, once is too many and it gives me pause. I see Brett Farve 2.0 in this way. Also, he's likely going to fumble the ball as well as much as he scrambles after being pocket flushed.

Ultimately, my concern is by comparison. One or two bad decisions equals an interception, fumble, or both. If you are going to make excuses for one or two bad decisions, let's at least look at what you're apologizing for potentially.

Here is a glance at Farves career: owns the all-time fumbles record at 166 (losing 73) in addition to throwing 336 interceptions. That's an astounding 406 turnovers, or an average of 1.33 per game over his 302 game regular season career.

And these numbers don't include playoffs. He owns the playoff record of interceptions at 30 and fumbled 11 times (losing 6) in 24 games. That's 1.5 turnovers per playoff game --even more horrific than his regular season performances.

Incidentally, Farve went to the playoffs 12 times and amassed a record of 13 and 11, including 1 and 1 on the "best team I've ever been on."

How important were his turnovers in those 11 losses?

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by Pueblo Chieftan

Derek Carr was in the MVP conversation last year. He is the stud of the division. No offense but instant gratification is not the answer to replacing a seasoned veteran. From what I saw of Mahomes he looks like he has potential but he's not ready to start in the NFL and who knows he may never be ready.

He is too jumpy in the pocket and forces the ball in dangerous places.

He would benefit from another year behind Smith. If Smith does down the kid will give you at least 50% chance of winning games while he is out

[Warpaint69]

Originally Posted by TigeRRUppeRRcut

He would benefit from another year behind Smith. If Smith does down the kid will give you at least 50% chance of winning games while he is out

More like sell high on Alex and insert the Ferrari into the offense at QB.

[baitism]

Originally Posted by Pueblo Chieftan

Derek Carr was in the MVP conversation last year. He is the stud of the division. No offense but instant gratification is not the answer to replacing a seasoned veteran. From what I saw of Mahomes he looks like he has potential but he's not ready to start in the NFL and who knows he may never be ready.

He is too jumpy in the pocket and forces the ball in dangerous places.

I didn't think it was possible for your sports takes to be worse than your political takes, but here we are.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Pueblo Chieftan

Derek Carr was in the MVP conversation last year. He is the stud of the division. No offense but instant gratification is not the answer to replacing a seasoned veteran. From what I saw of Mahomes he looks like he has potential but he's not ready to start in the NFL and who knows he may never be ready.

He is too jumpy in the pocket and forces the ball in dangerous places.

This person either doesn't know shit about football or didn't watch the game against Denver.

[Pueblo Chieftan]

Originally Posted by Lzen

This person either doesn't know shit about football or didn't watch the game against Denver.

Oh look, ad hominem. Refute what is written

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Pueblo Chieftan

Oh look, ad hominem. Refute what is written

**** you! You think your opinion means more? No, it doesn't. I saw a rookie QB come out yesterday and was a little inaccurate for the first couple of drives. Then he settled down and started making plays. He stepped up in the pocket under pressure and delivered strikes. Even when there wasn't anything open he made plays. Your assessment is flawed.

[Pueblo Chieftan]

Originally Posted by Lzen

**** you! You think your opinion means more? No, it doesn't. I saw a rookie QB come out yesterday and was a little inaccurate for the first couple of drives. Then he settled down and started making plays. He stepped up in the pocket under pressure and delivered strikes. Even when there wasn't anything open he made plays. Your assessment is flawed.

Damn girl, gather yourself.

Again, I see potential. I also saw a Chiefs team play a Bronco squad chock full of worthless bums. The Raiders have a lot of talent on both sides of the ball. I think they (the Raiders) are a better metric.

We'll see what happens

[Mav]

I’d be tempted to just go with Mahomes now honestly. Mahomes is a stud.


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