***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Mecca

We know why this is....

But apparently some of us routinely forget where we are.

[vailpass]

My ex was experiencing symptoms over the last few days, not severe but the cough, fever. She went for the drive-through test yesterday, said it was uncomfortable as hell. That swab probe goes in through your nose down to the back of your throat then they turn it around and around.

[ChiliConCarnage]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Verbatim from Colorado's guidelines:

"Personal services — hair and nail salons, dog groomers, personal training, tattoo parlors —can reopen with strict guidelines in place."

Some of those seem unwise. Non-essential factories and warehouses and plenty of other things it seems like like you could open up first and feel out how much the virus spreads. I'd do that before opening hair salons and tattoo parlors. Those require really close contact for long periods.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Do you have a credible source from which you are pulling these projections?

And your ass doesn’t count.

I provided the math. The links. Many times actually. See my post above.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Could get pretty crazy. For liability, probably a ton of focus on errors and omissions. Did the business put enough safeguards in place. Same with work comp... A claimant will have to prove the virus was due to the course of employment and I bet directors and officers will quite a few lawsuits. The biggest issue continues to be business interruption and contingent interruption. It's not anybodys fault that most businesses exclude pandemics. But it leaves a big hole.

workman’s comp isn’t paying anything out you can’t absolutely prove happened at work like you said. So it isn’t happening

[BWillie]

Those in critical care continue to rise. Now at the highest ever number for the USA. The next week we will likely see some pretty constant disturbing amount death numbers.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by R Clark

You have my sympathy trying to deal with asshole insurance people. Knowing they are dead wrong and still fighting tooth an nail.they try to just wear you out , hopefully the lawyer takes a load off your plate.

Yeah. She’s awesome.

Hell this happened over 18 months ago ( I still blame o. City) and they won’t pay a dime on any medical until I settle and I have a permanent hand injury over it. It’s a cluster ****.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

What in the ever-loving **** is going on in NY? I mean we all know they are a dense population but their numbers are just so ****ing insanely out of whack with the rest of the entire country. And they still keep cranking out 5,000ish new cases a day. They have 262,000+ total cases. The next closest is NJ at 93k total cases.

What is or maybe more importantly isn't happening in NY?

Elevators and the subway

[displacedinMN]

We have 2 senior homes close by. Can see them from my house. One has had 13 die from CV19. Very depressing.

I know a few in that place. Hope they will be ok.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Elevators and the subway

Are you sure it's not 5G??????

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by petegz28

What in the ever-loving **** is going on in NY? I mean we all know they are a dense population but their numbers are just so ****ing insanely out of whack with the rest of the entire country. And they still keep cranking out 5,000ish new cases a day. They have 262,000+ total cases. The next closest is NJ at 93k total cases.

What is or maybe more importantly isn't happening in NY?

Can't say I disagree. Alot of essential businesses operating have employees though that rely on it to transportation. There isn't an easy answer, but there has to be a better solution. Perhaps cycling to work could be an option now that the weather is better. This is much easier to do in a dense metropolis than it is anywhere else as well. Perhaps some sort of program to provide them a car for the time being since traffic is lower and that will prevent them from being on the subway.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Are you sure it's not 5G??????

I don’t know much about 5g but I’m not seeing how it can spread a virus.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Elevators and the subway

Needs some data to say it's either sustained exposure to any concentration of the virus or any exposure to a concentrated amount of the virus.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Needs some data to say it's either sustained exposure to any the virus or any exposure to a concentrated amount of the virus.

Not sure what you are even getting at.


Being exposed in any way can make you test positive. I think it’s shown that there’sa percentage of the population that’s going to die if they get it at all.


Think about elevators. Shiny metal. Cramped space...

[Donger]

PROXIMITY! PROXIMITY! PROXIMITY! PROXIMITY! PROXIMITY!