***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I think you just hit on something extremely relevant.

Most of the countries dealing with this don't use the same medical system as yours.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Most of the countries dealing with this don't use the same medical system as yours.

We are discussing NY specifically.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

No matter how you look at it though, NY numbers are pretty hard to understand are they not?

Is it possible this virus is worse than you think?

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I understand if the guy who had a heart attack was found dead in room full of hookers and blow and tests positive it might not be COVID related but why would a Doctor risk their license to pad the stats or mislead the family.

EDIT: I understand now.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

A doctor isn't going to write died of covid without a documented confirmation of positive from a lab on the medical record. Otherwise they will write the discharge summary with that as a diagnosis, and it will promptly be rejected by the insurance company.

I wasn't aware they were calling them covid without a positive test, and the virus has casued issues in countries who don't have the same insurance issues the US has .

Meaning my wife as a Coroner doesn't fill out the death certificate with insurance companies in mind.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Is it possible this virus is worse than you think?

USC doesnt seem to think so...

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

NY's initial report is at 481 for new deaths. They did do two reports yesterday that took them to 631 total. This is the I think the 3rd bit at least the 2nd day in a row where their initial report for new deaths was under 500.

You can spin this any way you wish but the bottom line is the numbers are significantly lower than they were last week and it appears to be continuing to go down.

NYC had only 18 deaths yesterday

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

USC doesnt seem to think so...

It might be years before we see definite numbers on the effects of this pandemic.

[DaneMcCloud]

There are more than 200 people in line at Costco Burbank in front of me

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There are more than 200 people in line at Costco Burbank in front of me

Is everyone masked up?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There are more than 200 people in line at Costco Burbank in front of me

Start coughing maybe they will let you go ahead.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There are more than 200 people in line at Costco Burbank in front of me

bro, leave...........

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There are more than 200 people in line at Costco Burbank in front of me

A seeing eye Pitbull might do the trick as well.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The governor of Georgia is calling for restaurants, bowling alleys, tattoo parlors, gyms, salons, etc. to be reopened, but not banks, schools, factories, and places like that. Most likely reason? The state isn't equipped to pay out unemployment to too many people for very long, he's not willing to raise taxes on anyone capable of paying, and the people who work the reopened jobs are more likely to be in need of unemployment benefits, so this offers a chance to kick them off the rolls.

None of this is being done with health in mind.

Another one of your classic “non political” posts. This time with the addition of some conspiracy.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Donger

I wonder if he still felt that way at the end.

Doesn't make a lot of sense that he died from complications of covid-19 with family members by his side. I have been under the impression that if you were in for Covid you were allowed no visitors.