***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BWillie

So, you realize why that might be the case right? Covid-19 will lead to death in different ways. While it is true the majority of these deaths are going to be due to respiratory issues, if you get an infection that will cause huge strain on your heart.

There was a guy on Chiefsplanet who sadly died a few years ago if I recall because he had a significant toothache. A toothache. And the infection ended up effecting his heart. So how is it that Covid-19 couldn't be the cause of cardiac arrest or a heart attack?

When people get Aids. Do they die from Aids? No. They die from things Aids causes.

I don't think people get this very well. My father technically died from necrotizing pneumonia. Of course, his treatment for GBM directly resulted in that condition.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Or thier accounting is.

I just read today locally we had a death ruled covid because the guy had a heart attack and was positive and that may have contributed.

If covid was contributing cause of the heart attack then it should count , I am sure fighting a virus the body has never seen before puts some stress on the whole system including the heart. there is room for more than one item on a death certificate.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Monticore

If covid was contributing cause of the heart attack then it should count , I am sure fighting a virus the body has never seen before puts some stress on the whole system including the hearth. there is room for more than one item on a death certificate.

I am sure it could have contributed, he may have also died anyway regardless.

No coincidence reporting of death by other factors have dropped significantly, Covid apparently cures other diseases.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Mecca

That is quite the solid counter argument.

Quite the nonpolitical post.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BWillie

So, you realize why that might be the case right? Covid-19 will lead to death in different ways. While it is true the majority of these deaths are going to be due to respiratory issues, if you get an infection that will cause huge strain on your heart.

There was a guy on Chiefsplanet who sadly died a few years ago if I recall because he had a significant toothache. A toothache. And the infection ended up effecting his heart. So how is it that Covid-19 couldn't be the cause of cardiac arrest or a heart attack?

When people get Aids. Do they die from Aids? No. They die from things Aids causes.

That was Psycho Tek - RIP

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BWillie

So, you realize why that might be the case right? Covid-19 will lead to death in different ways. While it is true the majority of these deaths are going to be due to respiratory issues, if you get an infection that will cause huge strain on your heart.

There was a guy on Chiefsplanet who sadly died a few years ago if I recall because he had a significant toothache. A toothache. And the infection ended up effecting his heart. So how is it that Covid-19 couldn't be the cause of cardiac arrest or a heart attack?

When people get Aids. Do they die from Aids? No. They die from things Aids causes.

Did his death certificate say death by toothache?

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Did his death certificate say death by toothache?

Are you Pete's mult? You are quite entertaining.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Or thier accounting is.

I just read today locally we had a death ruled covid because the guy had a heart attack and was positive and that may have contributed.

I do understand why they do that but I do believe it can inflate the numbers erroneously as well.

[TLO]

Does anyone know when the IHME is due to update again?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I am sure it could have contributed, he may have also died anyway regardless.

No coincidence reporting of death by other factors have dropped significantly, Covid apparently cures other diseases.

If a patient has asthma gets infected with COVID and develops pneumonia and then renal failure and dies , all will be included in the certificate and all will contribute to their individual statistics.+1 asthma +1 COVID +1renal failure+ 1 pneumonia. the other disease don't disappear it just happens that we are not in a renal failure pandemic at the moment.

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Did his death certificate say death by toothache?

What counts is how this is medically coded. For instance people dying are dying from acute respiratory failure or ARDs secondary to the causative agent which is COVID. Nowadays most insurance companies will reject most claims of unspecified origin (aka pneumonia unspecified) and will want the causative agent. If they don't want the underlying cause, the hospital administration damn sure does since specificity pays more.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

What counts is how this is medically coded. For instance people dying are dying from acute respiratory failure or ARDs secondary to the causative agent which is COVID. Nowadays most insurance companies will reject most claims of unspecified origin (aka pneumonia unspecified) and will want the causative agent. If they don't want the underlying cause, the hospital administration damn sure does since specificity pays more.

I think you just hit on something extremely relevant.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Are you Pete's mult? You are quite entertaining.

Its a valid question given your example no?

[Monticore]

I understand if the guy who had a heart attack was found dead in room full of hookers and blow and tests positive it might not be COVID related but why would a Doctor risk their license to pad the stats or mislead the family.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I understand if the guy who had a heart attack was found dead in room full of hookers and blow and tests positive it might not be COVID related but why would a Doctor risk their license to pad the stats or mislead the family.

No matter how you look at it though, NY numbers are pretty hard to understand are they not?