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Old 12-11-2014, 08:45 PM  
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***Official 2015 STL Cardinals Thread***
2011 World Series Championship
2012 NLCS. One win from another WS appearance.
2013 World Series. Two wins from another World Series Championship
2014 NLCS. Three wins from another WS appearance

  • Made the postseason 10 times in the last 14 seasons.
  • Only 1 losing season since 2000.
  • Reached the World Series 4 times since 2004 and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
  • Made the NLCS 9 times including the last 4 years 2011-2014
  • Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
  • 65 post season wins since 2004. 22+ wins more than any other team.
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Old 06-29-2015, 10:44 PM   #2311
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I'd say about 93-95, depending on how much they want to torque his mechanics for extra oomph. If he were a reliever, probably another 3 mph on top of that.
I guess thats Lynn/Miller speeds. If he can spot it like he did in high School. Thats a good pick.
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Old 06-29-2015, 10:50 PM   #2312
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Seems like a kid with a very high floor - with a moving fastball with decent velocity and plus command, he seems like he could be Seth Maness with very little additional development. I just didn't see a ton of upside there either. If you knew how strongly committed he was to FL and that you'd have to go $300K over slot to get him, he seemed like an odd pick.
Seth Maness???? Use a first rounder to get a possible player with the upside ceiling of Seth Maness?

According to this dude anyway, he loves all things Gator. Get to play for the team you love? I guess $300K is the tipping point for a high school kid.
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Old 06-29-2015, 10:54 PM   #2313
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Seth Maness???? Use a first rounder to get a possible player with the upside ceiling of Seth Maness?

According to this dude anyway, he loves all things Gator. Get to play for the team you love? I guess $300K is the tipping point for a high school kid.
Maness would actually be a good comp pick if you look at the average WAR each slot turns out.
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Maness would actually be a good comp pick if you look at the average WAR each slot turns out.
Shit. The draft is such a crapshoot.
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Seth Maness???? Use a first rounder to get a possible player with the upside ceiling of Seth Maness?

According to this dude anyway, he loves all things Gator. Get to play for the team you love? I guess $300K is the tipping point for a high school kid.
Now now - his upside isn't Maness; that's more like his median. If you draft 10 guys just like Woodford, 3 of them bust outright, 3 of them will be in various degrees better than Maness and 4 of them would end up being Seth Maness.

It's a reasonable 'floor' to put on him. Ultimately every pitchers floor is 'arm flies off mid-pitch and he bleeds out on the mound' but it's fair to put something of a worst case major leaguer floor on him as well. With a heavy fastball and good command, reasonable development makes him Maness.

But remember, Lance Lynn gets by on nothing but a heavy fastball and good command. So if I'm talking upside, I'm looking at Lance Lynn.

There's a way of grading prospects where you put both a players 'realistic potential' and their odds of getting there. So for instance, a guy like Bryce Harper would have come out of the draft getting a 10.0(A) - generational talent and a high likelihood of reaching it. Carlos Correa would have probably been seen as a 9.0(B); he was less of a sure thing but considered almost as talented as a guy like Harper.

With Woodford, I think you're looking at a 7.0(C) as opposed to Plummers 8.0(D).

Now the Cards know WAY more about pitching than I do (though I've generally had a pretty good eye for arm), so maybe they see him as having a higher ceiling than I do. I'd almost think they'd have to or I don't understand why they'd go over slot for him.
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Interesting tidbit, considering the Cardinals play the White Sox tonight and Oakland has made it clear it's because he is feeling ill.
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Interesting tidbit, considering the Cardinals play the White Sox tonight and Oakland has made it clear it's because he is feeling ill.
When I posted that, didn't see any stuff about illness.

Though he'd been traded, didn't think it was likely though
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With Holliday coming back, is anyone gonna be shocked when we see less Bourjos and a platoon of jay and grichuk?

Maybe we can send jay to Atlanta for a fungo and a bucket of balls?
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With Holliday coming back, is anyone gonna be shocked when we see less Bourjos and a platoon of jay and grichuk?

Maybe we can send jay to Atlanta for a fungo and a bucket of balls?
I still say we can catch LaRussa in a moment of weakness and send him Jay for Archie Bradley.
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I still say we can catch LaRussa in a moment of weakness and send him Jay for Archie Bradley.
Hell, throw in the koz and ask for goldschmidt
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With Holliday coming back, is anyone gonna be shocked when we see less Bourjos and a platoon of jay and grichuk?

Maybe we can send jay to Atlanta for a fungo and a bucket of balls?
We are never getting rid of Jay. Bible study regular.
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Batting Kozma because he is RH? WTF kind of logic is that? He is hitting .140. I bet Wong is hitting way above that against LH pitching.
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So why again is Kozma on this team?
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