***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Well you just said that we didn’t know if they were behind a day... right?

Why do I need those people to tell me about the numbers and trends I can see for myself easily.

Why don’t you go back through March and post up the numbers? I mean there were under 40 deaths a day throughout most of the month. Not sure what those numbers would tell you .

I threw in Monday’s yesterday because I LOOKED at the numbers and realized what was happening. It’s obvious. Well to everyone but you I guess...

I did go back to March. I had this discussion. That's when Hamas started claiming that even though I was right I was wrong because the growth rate was this that or the other thing.

And you have yet to state why Sundays and now Mondays are lower other than "they just are".

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I did go back to March. I had this discussion. That's when Hamas started claiming that even though I was right I was wrong because the growth rate was this that or the other thing.

And you have yet to state why Sundays and now Mondays are lower other than "they just are".

Oh I’m sure those Sunday and Mondays that had only 12 deaths are relevant...


The 22 was a sunday and was the first day over 100 the 23 was a Monday and was 140

The 24 was a Tuesday and was over 250.


That was the first week that really matters imo.

[SAUTO]

And I’ve stated multiple times that is because it’s the weekend and numbers aren’t getting reported correctly on the weekends.

Hell our health department isn’t even open on the weekends

[Dartgod]

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Oh I’m sure those Sunday and Mondays that had only 12 deaths are relevant...


The 22 was a sunday and was the first day over 100 the 23 was a Monday and was 140

The 24 was a Tuesday and was over 250.


That was the first week that really matters imo.

New cases on the other hand went higher and higher on Sunday\Monday until April 5th when they said they had a reporting glitch.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

And I’ve stated multiple times that is because it’s the weekend and numbers aren’t getting reported correctly on the weekends.

Hell our health department isn’t even open on the weekends

Link?

Pictures or it did not happen

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

Same but different. We got Monday in it now. Sunday wasn't enough.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

Maybe we need a "debate the numbers" megathread.

[Donger]

https://www.hopkinsguides.com/hopkin...9__SARS_CoV_2_

Preliminary evidence suggests two strains of SARS-2-CoV circulating: one associated with milder illness (~30%), the other with severe illness (70%). Additional sequencing studies may help define if further mutations may lessen virulence and also help trace spread.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Maybe we need a "debate the numbers" megathread.

I don't think there has been any one set of numbers thrown out in this thread by anyone that doesn't get or hasn't been debated regardless of what the numbers are for, when they are from or where they are from or some combo thereof.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

https://www.hopkinsguides.com/hopkin...9__SARS_CoV_2_

Preliminary evidence suggests two strains of SARS-2-CoV circulating: one associated with milder illness (~30%), the other with severe illness (70%). Additional sequencing studies may help define if further mutations may lessen virulence and also help trace spread.

I thought they said there were 2 strains back in March?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I thought they said there were 2 strains back in March?

Yes, I mentioned it then, but I hadn't seen it in a medical journal until now. The speculation is that the west coast got hit with the former (from China) and the east coast got the latter from Europe.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Donger

https://www.hopkinsguides.com/hopkin...9__SARS_CoV_2_

Preliminary evidence suggests two strains of SARS-2-CoV circulating: one associated with milder illness (~30%), the other with severe illness (70%). Additional sequencing studies may help define if further mutations may lessen virulence and also help trace spread.

Do different strains require different antibodies? How does that work?

[O.city]

If that’s the case let’s inoculate everyone with the mild one

[TLO]

This feels like a giant cluster ****. We're going to "double our testing capacity here in Mizzoura" according to the governer. At which time we're going to see a ton more positive cases, (one would assume).

But hey we're gonna open up on May 4th! Never mind the fact we're probably gonna have to close everything down again because the number of positive cases are going to skyrocket.

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