***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

The Stanford test definitely has some not so good parameters that were set up.

those are?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

those are?

There's a full rundown in this article.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mer...n-apology/amp/

[O.city]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

This is because we are testing mostly people with symptoms or who have had contacts with those who tested positive. As Dr. Fauci stated, testing those who show no symptoms is good for that 1 day and it is unrealistic to test people every day. Antibody testing and contract tracing will be much more important going forward.

As is being shown to you in this thread, antibody testing has it's benefits and downfalls. It all has to play in together.

You can't contact trace if you don't know who's infectious. Essentially, yeah, you need to be able to rapidly test damn near everyone.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

those are?

https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.e...us-prevalence/

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.e...us-prevalence/

Ooooh. This is a good read. Much better than the news article I posted.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once example is pizza companies like Dominos, Papa Johns and Pizza Hut. They are actually doing very well. There are more, but that's just one example.

My best friend has run an successful music related internet store since 1999, in which he has done extremely well, like super extremely well.

He was terrified when the lockdowns began because he has more than $1 million in inventory when they started. But since Amazon has delayed all non-essential items, his business is absolutely booming and he's had his best month in two years.

I'm sure there are other examples out there of people doing well since the beginning of the lockdowns, which leads me to believe that we'll see a fundamental shift in how businesses choose to operate moving forward.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Good don't go out to eat then.

no restaurant owner is going to go back into business and only make half the money he made before.

There's no profit.

It's mostly alcohol sales.

We have a massive amount of Mom & Pop restuarants in Los Angeles, most of which can barely seat 10 people inside but have the outdoor capacity to seat 20 or more.

With food deliveries up, I think that most of those restaurants, if not all, will welcome Social Distancing scenarios because it's added cash AND makes it so their food supply isn't going to waste.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mecca

AMC filed bankruptcy but it's the kind that should let them continue to operate.

Massive movie theater chains are dinosaurs in the current world.

The Studios have been flirting with Premium Video On Demand for years and now that Universal has released Trolls 2 to great success, while Disney is pushing to release their films shortly after a theatrical run on Disney+, the writing is on the wall for many of these chains.

I'm not stating that the movie theater system is dead but it's been slowly dying for years, while streaming and the availability of high quality content is more accessible than ever and VOD and SVOD purchases are on the rise.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

My best friend has run an successful music related internet store since 1999, in which he has done extremely well, like super extremely well.

He was terrified when the lockdowns began because he has more than $1 million in inventory when they started. But since Amazon has delayed all non-essential items, his business is absolutely booming and he's had his best month in two years.

I'm sure there are other examples out there of people doing well since the beginning of the lockdowns, which leads me to believe that we'll see a fundamental shift in how businesses choose to operate moving forward.

Good for him. It's a good thing he went that direction, rather than owning a bar.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Massive movie theater chains are dinosaurs in the current world.

The Studios have been flirting with Premium Video On Demand for years and now that Universal has released Trolls 2 to great success, while Disney is pushing to release their films shortly after a theatrical run on Disney+, the writing is on the wall for many of these chains.

I'm not stating that the movie theater system is dead but it's been slowly dying for years, while streaming and the availability of high quality content is more accessible than ever and VOD and SVOD purchases are on the rise.

I love going to the movies. This is so sad.

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by Bwana

You know how many people have been booted from this thread? There are a couple more on the bubble as well, but the people that insisted on making it political were shown the door.

I see. Due diligence saved the thread. Carry on people!

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Pants

I love going to the movies. This is so sad.

Ya same , Saturday night dinner and a movie was our mental health day.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Massive movie theater chains are dinosaurs in the current world.

The Studios have been flirting with Premium Video On Demand for years and now that Universal has released Trolls 2 to great success, while Disney is pushing to release their films shortly after a theatrical run on Disney+, the writing is on the wall for many of these chains.

I'm not stating that the movie theater system is dead but it's been slowly dying for years, while streaming and the availability of high quality content is more accessible than ever and VOD and SVOD purchases are on the rise.

Still haven't watched Trolls 2, but plan on it. For me, paying $20 or $30 to sit on my couch to watch a movie is well worth it. My kids are getting older, but generally we only go to movies that all of us are going to and when that happens, we walk out of there $100 lighter in the pocket.

[Discuss Thrower]

And just because things are so awesome as it is, we've got a CO2 shortage threatening the beverage industry.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once example is pizza companies like Dominos, Papa Johns and Pizza Hut. They are actually doing very well. There are more, but that's just one example.

I can't speak for the others but Pizza Hut is wrong. Last numbers I looked at had Pizza Huts sales profit down 30%. This virus is hitting everyone in the restaurant business.