***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Right to work only means you dont have to pay union dues if you are working for a unionized company but arent actually in the union yourself.

Originally Posted by eDave

It means a lot more than that.

Originally Posted by lewdog

Sure but that's not totally it.

In Arizona, as in other states, employees work at will. This means an employee can be fired at any time and for any reason, or for no reason at all, as long as the reason for the firing is not illegal. Arizona law prohibits discrimination based on race, color, national origin, sex, religion, age, disability, genetic information, and HIV/AIDS. In Arizona, employers must comply with these laws if they have at least 15 employees.

You don't have the rights, ability or likely beneficial outcome to fight most terminations here, like you would say in the state of New York.

I can't speak to the terminology in AZ, but usually right to work and at-will employment are separate concepts with separate regulations.

[KCUnited]

Right to work vs the unprecedented!

We all get a front row seat

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I can't speak to the terminology in AZ, but usually right to work and at-will employment are separate concepts with separate regulations.

I think you're correct. I was using the wrong terminology with the description. Many people usually lump them together but they are in fact separate.

Thanks.

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Yes, that's what a reasonable person would expect.


Kids are spreaders, and if by having them in a store could potentially impact someone else's health, it does in fact become their business. I am only taking exception to that statement and outside of that I have no context of what the situation you're facing truly is, but you seem to be purposefully vague about it and I feel like there's probably a little more to it than them sitting in a cart. (7 year old?)


I will also add that while it can be someone else's business, and this part is just my opinion, what I would see as a justified reaction to it is quite limited. No, you're not breaking a law and you do what you have to do. I could easily see someone overreacting to it in which case I would not blame you for responding in kind.

I get it if they have no choice and no other adult to sit in the car.

Me and the wife only go into the store (not together) wearing a mask and leave our 4 yr old in the car with either me or the her depending on who wants to go in.

I've seen several families with their kids shopping as if things are normal, I just avoid them as best as I can even if it's unsafe and annoying. People should be limiting who goes in if they can.

[eDave]

+1 to BL. Thanks Bra.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

I get it if they have no choice and no other adult to sit in the car.

Me and the wife only go into the store (not together) wearing a mask and leave our 4 yr old in the car with either me or the her depending on who wants to go in.

I've seen several families with their kids shopping as if things are normal, I just avoid them as best as I can even if it's unsafe and annoying. People should be limiting who goes in if they can.

I do the shopping for our family. I go out alone while my wife stays home with our son. Wearing a cloth mask this last time even! Felt like in was in a Clint Eastwood movie. I come home, wash my hands and disinfect everything I've touched and everything that came from the store in the garage and then bring things in as necessary. So, you know, trying to do the "right thing".

But then you've got families rolling around with all of their kids in tow just doing their best to **** the whole thing up. And we all know kids love the grocery store. Did see a couple of 70+ year old couples tooling around in Hyvee the last time. They've got their own designated shopping time and everything, but running around touching canned soups at 3 in the afternoon does have a certain cachet to it.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Deaths going down in MO. Of course the protesters tomorrow will try and change that.

Based on what numbers?

[Dunit35]

We went up 29 cases today or 1%. I know it’s Sunday but it might be time to update their clearly flawed model. Expecting 9300 cases by May 1st. Somehow Oklahoma is supposed to add 6700 cases in 11 days.

Meanwhile we’re at 179k new unemployment claims since March 1st.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

I've wondered about the whole FMLA angle.

There is no FMLA angle unless you have a diagnosis. Going to be a lot of disappointed people fed a bunch of bullshit after all of this.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Dunit35

We went up 29 cases today or 1%. I know it’s Sunday but it might be time to update their clearly flawed model. Expecting 9300 cases by May 1st. Somehow Oklahoma is supposed to add 6700 cases in 11 days.

Meanwhile we’re at 179k new unemployment claims since March 1st.

How much testing has Oklahoma done?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by eDave

Hour and fifteen minutes wait to enter the dispensary the other day. 2 at a time.

What????????????

I placed an order on www.thekindcenter.com two Thursday ago and they brought it out to my car within a few minutes of notifying them that I was outside.

I could have done delivery, which would have only cost $5 dollars, so maybe I'll go that route later next month.

No deliveries or curb side pickup in your area?

[Dunit35]

Originally Posted by TLO

How much testing has Oklahoma done?

Looks like 35k.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

How do those of you that live in Kansas feel about being the state that has done the least amount of testing per capita?

Largest hospital in the city/region that resides on the Kansas side that would likely see the most cases has 33 hospitalizations, 15 on ventilators, and has had 59 discharged. As for testing there doesn’t really seem to be a defined area that is in dire need of increased testing that I’m aware of. The cases seem pretty spread out and with about a 10% positive result on tests I think continuing tests as needed is acceptable. But should a spot emerge I would hope more aggressive testing would ensue.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What????????????

I placed an order on www.thekindcenter.com two Thursday ago and they brought it out to my car within a few minutes of notifying them that I was outside.

I could have done delivery, which would have only cost $5 dollars, so maybe I'll go that route later next month.

No deliveries or curb side pickup in your area?

Here's the deal. I do not have a card. I cannot get a card as I have no medical records since I left mon and dad's. Now, my usual delivery mechanism was deported so now I have to find a new source. So a friend took me with him. This despensary is in Mesa so there were a lot of sketches waiting.

I got shit to work out.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by eDave

Here's the deal. I do not have a card. I cannot get a card as I have no medical records since I left mon and dad's. Now, my usual delivery mechanism was deported so now I have to find a new source. So a friend took me with him.

I got shit work out.

Is it difficult to get a card in AZ?

Just about everyone I know had a card before CA went recreational. It was as easy as dropping $30 dollars and telling the doctor at the dispensary "I'm suffering from anxiety and don't like how the pharmaceuticals make me feel".

It took maybe 10 minutes.