***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Yep....ordered some for the fam. So many choices and easy to order.

Could you post a link?
Id like to purchase some.
Thanks man.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Dunit35

If someone’s kids are inside a cart, minding their own business, then whoever is in the store should also be minding their own business.

I’ll be sure to leave them at home next time I need to do adult stuff at a store. I’ll let DHS know what I’m doing as well. We’ll see how that goes.

Yes, that's what a reasonable person would expect.


Kids are spreaders, and if by having them in a store could potentially impact someone else's health, it does in fact become their business. I am only taking exception to that statement and outside of that I have no context of what the situation you're facing truly is, but you seem to be purposefully vague about it and I feel like there's probably a little more to it than them sitting in a cart. (7 year old?)


I will also add that while it can be someone else's business, and this part is just my opinion, what I would see as a justified reaction to it is quite limited. No, you're not breaking a law and you do what you have to do. I could easily see someone overreacting to it in which case I would not blame you for responding in kind.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Could you post a link?
Id like to purchase some.
Thanks man.

Puss.

[Rukdafaidas]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Yes, that's what a reasonable person would expect.


Kids are spreaders, and if by having them in a store could potentially impact someone else's health, it does in fact become their business. I am only taking exception to that statement and outside of that I have no context of what the situation you're facing truly is, but you seem to be purposefully vague about it and I feel like there's probably a little more to it than them sitting in a cart. (7 year old?)


I will also add that while it can be someone else's business, and this part is just my opinion, what I would see as a justified reaction to it is quite limited. No, you're not breaking a law and you do what you have to do. I could easily see someone overreacting to it in which case I would not blame you for responding in kind.

Also, most stores are now limiting how many people can be in the store at one time.
My dad's water went out and I had to make a few trips to Lowes yesterday to get parts. Each time I had to wait in line outside while whole families were inside picking out plants, paint colors or light fixtures. The place was an absolute zoo.

[Donger]

Germany to Reopen Stores in First Step Toward Post-Virus Era

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ra/ar-BB12QVsX

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Rukdafaidas

Also, most stores are now limiting how many people can be in the store at one time.
My dad's water went out and I had to make a few trips to Lowes yesterday to get parts. Each time I had to wait in line outside while whole families were inside picking out plants, paint colors or light fixtures. The place was an absolute zoo.

That's been a fear of mine since the limitations were put in place, that I'd need something in a pinch and I'd be waiting an hour just to get in. Patience is a virtue that I am significantly lacking in at times.



However, at least around here, it seems that Menards is letting everyone in at all times.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

That's been a fear of mine since the limitations were put in place, that I'd need something in a pinch and I'd be waiting an hour just to get in. Patience is a virtue that I am significantly lacking in at times.



However, at least around here, it seems that Menards is letting everyone in at all times.

Ace was the same way yesterday.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Ace was the same way yesterday.

A free for all?


Not gonna lie, if I was in the middle of a plumbing battle I'd take my chances at my own death or anyone else's to get what I needed.

[Rukdafaidas]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

A free for all?


Not gonna lie, if I was in the middle of a plumbing battle I'd take my chances at my own death or anyone else's to get what I needed.

I went to Lowes, Home Depot and Sutherlands yesterday. Sutherlands wasn't counting, but they didn't have what I needed. Home Depot and Lowes were both counting and both had huge lines outside.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Rukdafaidas

I went to Lowes, Home Depot and Sutherlands yesterday. Sutherlands wasn't counting, but they didn't have what I needed. Home Depot and Lowes were both counting and both had huge lines outside.

I didn't know Sutherlands still existed. They quickly bailed from our area as soon as Home Depot and Lowe's came to town.

[2112]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

A free for all?


Not gonna lie, if I was in the middle of a plumbing battle I'd take my chances at my own death or anyone else's to get what I needed.

The mom and pop hardware stores are the places to go. I went to a place called “better living” the next town over. Place was empty and had everything I was looking for. Home Depot and Lowe’s 50 people in the store at a time and then 10 out and 10 in with a long line. **** that

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

That's been a fear of mine since the limitations were put in place, that I'd need something in a pinch and I'd be waiting an hour just to get in. Patience is a virtue that I am significantly lacking in at times.



However, at least around here, it seems that Menards is letting everyone in at all times.

Originally Posted by Bwana

Ace was the same way yesterday.

Hour and fifteen minutes wait to enter the dispensary the other day. 2 at a time.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by eDave

Hour and fifteen minutes wait to enter the dispensary the other day. 2 at a time.

Necessities man...you gotta stock up! Didn't you learn anything from the toilet paper crisis?

[Donger]

NY coming in with 507 deaths. 540 previous day.

[2112]

And they opened restaurant depot to the public here last week. Seeing the money. Now there’s a huge ****ing line there going around the building. That was stupid