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Join Date: Jan 2015
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Most of the metrics they track aren't available on their site with a sub! ...The draft guide is great! Shows a lot of info, full route trees etc... but why isn't that shit on the site!? |
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#2207 |
In Mahomes I trust!
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Baton Rouge, LA
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In Mahomes I trust!
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Baton Rouge, LA
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Join Date: Jan 2015
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1. Nabers 2. Thomas Jr 3. Harrison Jr 4. Odunze 5. R Wilson |
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#2210 |
In Search of a Life
Join Date: Mar 2007
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Join Date: Oct 2012
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I went and watched Mitchell again. I saw Sikkema talking about how hes a great route runner. I watched him vs Alabama. I just dont see him as an elite route runner maybe inconsistent. Maybe I took what he said with too much weight. I love the prospect but he just looked inconsistent down in and down out. I'm not nearly as good at this as some of you, help me see what im missing.
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#2212 | |
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Helena, MT
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And on the deep TD, watch him plant the foot to threaten the corner outside, causing the corner to flip his hips. Mitchell then turns on the burners and roasts him inside. He is pretty nuanced, imo, with the use of acceleration just as soon as he gets the corner where he wants him. People indicate that they don't see his speed on tape. I would agree that he he plays faster when he knows he's getting the ball and that he doesn't try to out race the corners. He likes to kill them by getting them out of position and then creating separation. I think that skill will play more in the NFL and specifically with Patrick. |
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#2213 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Michigan
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He isn't a crisp route runner, he rounds everything. Nuanced, yes. He does vary his speed somewhat to get CBs off guard and I agree that has play. He also doesn't drop balls which is big. He has a long way to go as a route runner and with consistency, let's not sugar-coat that shit "because 'Bama." Not playing fast on tape isn't a maybe, it's an absolute. It's also not restricted to when he doesn't get the football. That doesn't mean I think he has no chance to crack the 1st because he does but he has some major warts, which you wouldn't think reading the takes around here. |
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#2215 | |
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
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I mean without some of those technique/effort issues, is he an appreciably different physical talent to Odunz? I don't know that he is. And that's a top 10 pick. So if you want that kind of raw talent, you have to take the gamble on the play speed question and hope that through coaching and being challenged, he'll step up to play at a more consistent level. Or you just draft more floor and take someone like McConkey, no? I mean I'm going OT in all probability in the first. But if I'm looking at WRs at the back of 1 and he's there, he's probably the best raw talent available and a guy who's physical ability shouldn't be there at 32. |
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#2216 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Michigan
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#2217 | |
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Helena, MT
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I was a little curious so I even went and looked at PFFs new Game Athleticism Score - and wouldn't you know who Number 2 is on that list? You have also pitched a fit because of how personal it gets around here; maybe look in the mirror, pal. Just because we disagree doesn't make me lazy and ridiculous. Further, I ain't the only guy who has AD Mitchell as a top 5 WR. Go look around. |
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Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
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I remember after we drafted him re-watching some of his stuff and saying "Oh man, that dude probably cost Trevon Diggs 15 spots in the draft by just massacring him repeatedly..." Turns out Diggs is really good afterall. MEH isn't. Sometimes guys just have bad days. Or they're bad matchups. I don't think it's a completely useless exercise but i do think there's a little less utility to it than I used to. |
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#2219 | |
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Helena, MT
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You can see he relishes the one on one mind games in his tape. This is something I distinctly remember Jerry Rice speaking to when he reflected on his career - being patient and exploiting the defender when he bites. He makes good use of trigger steps, dropping his hips and chin while maintaining the balance to accelerate when the defender bites. Clearly, AD Mitchell doesn't have Jerry's feet - but I do think he loves that one-on-one exploitive style. He clearly needs to work on his ability to exploit zone coverage, however, and at the Collegiate level, they run a lot more zone than in the NFL. |
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#2220 |
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Join Date: Jan 2015
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To Crow's point, I actually like RD 2 better for WR. Feels like we'd be taking a bit of a risk with the guys at the bottom of RD 1.
To DJ's point, some of the same guys would be considered steals 10-20 pick later so maybe we just need to take one at the end of RD 1 and be happy with it. I like Franklin, Coleman, Legette, & Burton most. Will be interesting to see how the league feels abut the WR board. |
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