***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

That’s just silly IMO

I believe there was a clause that stated if they didn't use the money to pay workers then they would have to pay it back.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

New York coronavirus: Gov. Andrew Cuomo extends stay-at-home order until at least May 15

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ne...E7A?li=BBnb7Kz

So May 15th just seems to be the magic date.......

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I believe there was a clause that stated if they didn't use the money to pay workers then they would have to pay it back.

It’s complicated

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I tend to think of "Small Business" as being 1-10 employees, although 1-50 also qualifies.

But 500? Geez, no.

I’m expecting any day now that we find out that the WWE got some of this money.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

there is tons of those cases just like that. Chains with multiple locations in cities and more locations in different states.

They create smaller sub companies and asked for the money for them. Etc. etc.

As far as I know there wasn’t fraud, just corporations and lawyers gaming the system. Can’t they get some of those lawyers to put language in there so it ensures that the money goes to the local restaurant and bars?

They couldn’t create a smaller company just for this.

Everything has to be in place on a certain date prior to this. A poster here bought another company just after the break off point and couldn’t claim ppp on it.

You aren’t saying that right

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

It’s complicated

Well people better get shit figured out soon because the more people that lose their jobs the less tolerance there is going to be for these shelter orders regardless. People are going to start focusing solely on their own situation and as we are already seeing in spots, they will start voicing their protest. And it won't take long before it isn't very peaceful.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I sure am happy that it's different here in LA. Everyone I've seen has been wearing a mask in public and most have been wearing gloves.

The checkers and sackers at the grocery stores have been wearing both for weeks and there are large plexiglass shields protecting checkers. I stood in line outside of Home Depot several times in the past few weeks due to a plumbing issue and everyone had on masks, even while standing in the rain.

Maybe that's why California's numbers are so low...

Even in Central California thats how it it. Everyone is just being smart about it, and our numbers are fairly low. i think its about 63 people have it, 23 have recovered and 3 deaths. People can rag about this social distancing all they want, but its helping.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well people better get shit figured out soon because the more people that lose their jobs the less tolerance there is going to be for these shelter orders regardless. People are going to start focusing solely on their own situation and as we are already seeing in spots, they will start voicing their protest. And it won't take long before it isn't very peaceful.

On a different topic lol


The new cases also went up in NY last night so it must not have had to do with adding in those “ probable” cases

Not sure what happened there. Going to keep an eye on it tonight

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

They couldn’t create a smaller company just for this.

Everything has to be in place on a certain date prior to this. A poster here bought another company just after the break off point and couldn’t claim ppp on it.

You aren’t saying that right

I would imagine that all of these larger companies that benefited from the SBA loans have had DBA's and shell companies on the books for years.

And companies like Ruth's Chris are international, making their loan even less important.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

On a different topic lol


The new cases also went up in NY last night so it must not have had to do with adding in those “ probable” cases

Not sure what happened there. Going to keep an eye on it tonight

I though they said they were going to try and report them backwards to the dates they thought they happened or something? Meh, we will see how it goes tonight. Maybe they are back to 2 times a day?

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

I wouldn’t ever call 500 employees a small business but that’s just me

Yea, 500 employees is not a small business. I tend to think of small businesses as places with 3 or fewer locations (for restaurants) & smaller than 50-75 employees.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by kcxiv

Even in Central California thats how it it. Everyone is just being smart about it, and our numbers are fairly low. i think its about 63 people have it, 23 have recovered and 3 deaths. People can rag about this social distancing all they want, but its helping.

Very very few are ragging about social distancing now which is good to see.

[kstater]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

No Swimming No Sports





NO DICE WHOA

I'll be swimming all Summer. Well, standing in the pool drinking. Added bonus, get to limit all the leeches, er friends, that magically only show up between Memorial day and Labor day.

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[petegz28]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Very very few are ragging about social distancing now which is good to see.

I don't think people in general are ragging about social distancing. I think people are starting to get tired of doing what they are told, losing their job and then having people who aren't impacted in the same way telling them "tough shit, you're gonna do it even longer and your job be damned".

I mean it gets to the point that when you have 30mil people out of work and you will, especially now, people will get tired of being told by someone who is not losing their job, who is living in a nice house and is not suffering nearly the same to just "suck it up and deal with it".

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I’m expecting any day now that we find out that the WWE got some of this money.

Very un****ing likely.