***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Well I was with you on the NY only reporting once a day until I looked again at yesterday’s numbers.

It sat under 800 all day and now is at over 1k so it definitely changed at some point throughout the day. Not saying that’s going to be an every day thing though. Just pointing it out

For new deaths?

Edit: ah, they did go back and update yesterday's numbers. Interesting.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Well I was with you on the NY only reporting once a day until I looked again at yesterday’s numbers.

It sat under 800 all day and now is at over 1k so it definitely changed at some point throughout the day. Not saying that’s going to be an every day thing though. Just pointing it out

My understanding was that NYC reports in the evening as well. I could be wrong though.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

For new deaths?

Edit: ah, they did go back and update yesterday's numbers. Interesting.

"That is the ****ing problem with some of you"

[PAChiefsGuy]

Trump wants to reopen America in a few weeks. In internal documents, federal health officials warn the bar to do so safely may be too high.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...KlE?li=BBnb7Kz

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

"That is the ****ing problem with some of you"

Oh get the **** out of here with this like you knew something. A couple of us here have stated what has been happening and are accurate in large part.


So **** off with this you knew something but couldn't tell us what you knew because it was some secret.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

You're a smart guy, I'm sure you understand that you can buy food while still following guidelines.

Here in Miami-Dade County there are mask requirements for all customers/employees at grocery stores, the county requires detailed signage/ground indicators to enforce social distancing, there is a single flow requirement throughout the stores (i.e. you can only enter/exit one way through each aisle), and all grocery stores must reduce their capacity by 50%... and all of this is being enforced by on-site police officers.

And despite all of that, you can still regularly see people congregating in specific aisles (i.e. the paper products/toilet paper aisle), people picking up/putting back food products to check expiration dates/nutritional information, etc.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

My understanding was that NYC reports in the evening as well. I could be wrong though.

They were for the first couple weeks but have largely stopped that over the last week or so. To be more accurate, they had a state reading in the morning minus NYC in large part and then largely an NYC reading in the eveing.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by SupDock

My understanding was that NYC reports in the evening as well. I could be wrong though.

They used to. Then they stopped for at least a week, maybe 2. Then yesterday they did it again for the first time.


I watch the numbers all day generally

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

They used to. Then they stopped for at least a week, maybe 2. Then yesterday they did it again for the first time.


I watch the numbers all day generally

I generally do as well. They must have really done that later than they were before. I wonder if it has anything to with their adding the 3,700 deaths they had previously not?

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Oh get the **** out of here with this like you knew something. A couple of us here have stated what has been happening and are accurate in large part.


So **** off with this you knew something but couldn't tell us what you knew because it was some secret.

I'm not the one speaking with authority and confidence on number reporting, you are.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The SBA's $349 billion PPP loan has officially run out of money. It comes after the program had a rocky rollout. https://t.co/GCTtq8hLsR

— L.A. BIZ (@LABizJournal) April 16, 2020

big corporations or people with access to pay attorneys to tell them the loopholes got the vast majority of that money. That was not the intent. Until they can figure out the language so that the money goes to your local neighborhood bar, restaurant why put more money into those same accounts that gamed the system?

The local neighborhood places was who the American public wants to get help. Until then what’s the point?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

I'm not the one speaking with authority and confidence on number reporting, you are.

No, you were the one who asked a question and then when given an answer and an explanation for that answer, which has largely been substantiated, you proceeded to be an ass.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I generally do as well. They must have really done that later than they were before. I wonder if it has anything to with their adding the 3,700 deaths they had previously not?

I didn’t see it even when it rolled over. It went up almost 300 after that point

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The cases have gone down compared to their last 2 days of reporting. This is the ****ing problem with some of you. NY reports once a day on new deaths. Got it? The deaths reported today are less than the reports they posted yesterday and the day before that and the day before that even. Try actually reading what I ****ing said. You know, where I said it appears they are reporting the deaths from yesterday. Meaning the report you get today is what happened yesterday.

You want to find a reason to pick apart or otherwise piss on everything that gets reported because it doesn't fit your view then have it it. But your point is ir-****ing-relevant vis-a-vis the way NY has been reporting.

The point is you didn't ****ing read a damn thing I said.

I was an ass?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

big corporations or people with access to pay attorneys to tell them the loopholes got the vast majority of that money. That was not the intent. Until they can figure out the language so that the money goes to your local neighborhood bar, restaurant what’s the point? That’s who the American public wants to get help.

Link?

pretty sure the small banks gave out most of the money...

Pretty sure at least a couple million went to people that post here.