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Aiyuk to the Steelers?
Seems to be a lot of buzz around the Steelers finalizing a trade for Aiyuk.
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They'd never do it because of the relationship between Joe and Ja'Marr but they should have done it with Higgins. I love Higgins but he was the expendable one.
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Keep telling yourself that.
Through his age 27 season, Andy Dalton had been to 2 Pro Bowls and thrown for 14,750 yards and 99 TDs. Through Burrows age 27 season Burrow has thrown for 14,000 yards and 93 TDs with a single Pro Bowl. Through Mahomes age 27 season he'd thrown for 24,200 yards and 192 TDs. He'd made 5 Pro Bowls, 2 All Pro teams and won 2 Super Bowls (and Super Bowl MVPs). Yes, Joe Burrow is far far FAR closer to Andy Dalton than he his Patrick Mahomes. The fact that you fellas keep trying to pretend otherwise is the real joke. Joe Burrow is barely playing the same sport as Mahomes. |
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Thought exercise:
In one hand you have Joe Burrow In the other hand you have a coin with Andy Dalton on one side and Patrick Mahomes on the other. You get whichever guy it lands on. You taking Burrow or are you flipping the coin? Bengals fans are going to bend over backwards to convince themselves that they'd lock in Joe Burrow and be happy. They shouldn't because they'd be wrong. The 50/50 shot of getting Mahomes is worth the downside of Andy Dalton. He's just that much better than Burrow. History won't remember Joe Burrow. At all. Less than it will Matthew Stafford; similar to how it remembers Carson Palmer. Maybe he stays healthy and has a Matt Ryan career. Patrick Mahomes will be written into legend in this league. The gap between those two is simply immense. |
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I don’t think many teams would bother doing that. It’ll be CMC first, Deebo second, then Kittle, then Aiyuk because CMC, Deebo and Kittle have all demonstrated the ability to be game changers. Aiyuk can’t say the same. Quote:
That still leaves nearly 700 yards gained from just routes alone on the year for Deebo in 2021 too. For reference, we never once got 700 total yards out of Sammy, MVS or Hardman in a single season. I’m actually glad you brought up the RAC, though. This ****ing guy Deebo AVERAGES 10 yards of RAC per reception. Am I the only one who recognizes how absurd that is? He’s going to give you a 1st down on every catch just from RAC alone. That’s so nasty. You all are seriously underrating just how dangerous he is with the football in his hands. There are running backs out there, who actually catch the vast majority of their passes at or behind the LoS, who don’t average 10 yards of RAC per reception. And I did the research on this debate a few weeks back so don’t remember with 100% confidence but I believe I found that that 10 yards of RAC per reception was actually maintained over his entire career. That is nutty. 8.3 yards average depth of target is actually pretty decent, by the way. That’s about spot on the ADoT for Keenan Allen over the last decade or so, who is known as a route technician. Comparing their ADoT is pointless to me precisely because they’re in the same offense. They occupy different roles. MVS had a further ADoT last season than Rashee Rice. That doesn’t necessarily mean that MVS is a better route runner or better WR overall than Rashee. In fact, I’d argue that it makes sense that a team with their three best offensive weapons being a RB, WR/RB hybrid RAC monster, and a TE would have a traditional WR see many opportunities in the deep and intermediate sections of the field. |
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The argument was mostly over who was the better WR. We know that Aiyuk is the prototypical X, the traditional WR. We know that Deebo is more of a bruiser WR/RB hybrid. All that on the table, who is the better player? Personally, I think it’s Deebo because Deebo is a lot better at doing the things Aiyuk does than Aiyuk is at doing the things Deebo does. My best comparison was a QB debate with a dual-threat QB like Lamar vs a traditional pocket passer like Dak. I don’t think many would disagree with the idea that Dak is a much better traditional pocket passer. He’s better at doing all of the things you’d look for in a typical QB. At the same time, you can’t discredit the abilities Lamar brings with his legs. All in all, I think most would agree that Lamar is the better QB. |
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Either way, I think it just makes sense when you’ve got a guy so lethal with the ball in his hands. We know that the further downfield the target is, generally speaking, there’s a lower chance of completing the pass. I think offensive gurus like Reid and Shanahan understand that. If I want the ball in a guy’s hands at all costs, I’m probably going to create a gameplan that revolves around the short passing game because it should translate into more opportunities for him to get the ball in his hands and make a play. That doesn’t necessarily mean that Rice or Samuel can’t run good routes or create separation on their own. It’s just good business sense. |
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Might be onto something here. Just looking at his stats in SF just over the last three seasons, he's been targeted 84x, 114x, and 105x. Pretty low totals for an X. Deebo and Kittle were targeted about 90x each, and CMC about 75x since he arrived. Then factor in the fact Purdy just doesn't have a big arm, and Shanahan's offense is basically designed around a rushing attack and a shorter passing attack. Aiyuk might feel that Deebo/Kittle/CMC, Purdy's limitations as a deep ball passer and Shanahan's scheme are taking a lot of targets away from him. And Aiyuk is faster than most people think; his :40 time was run right after he had some kind of core surgery. He's faster than that time indicates. Watch some of his highlights. He can run. |
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Last season was a break-in year for Rice. As he progresses, he'll be a set and forget X receiver. Honesly, I almost wouldn't mind a trade up in the 1st this year for a Z and then Worthy slots in as a really dynamic long-term Y. Probably unnecessary but man it would be cool. I just don't know that you can get a true Z receiver anymore without getting into the top 10 (or just getting a little bit lucky). |
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#206 | |
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Funny how Deebo's 1,400 yard season is somehow proof that he's a great WR too that can run routes and separate, but Aiyuk hasn't even proven to be a "game changer" after a 1,342 yard season. Unlike Deebo, more than 50% of those yards didn't come from YAC either. ****ing ![]() |
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#207 |
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So is this going to happen or what?
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#209 |
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We're getting into the weeds here a little bit, so much of the QB thing is the surroundings and coaches.
If I had Dak in that Baltimore system.....yeah I think he'd have had more playoff success than he's had in Dallas. I just don't care for a guy who's main attribute is his legs playing QB. Similarly....if I want a WR, I want a guy that does WR things IE, running routes and getting open. |
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And this might be the fly in the ointment.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/b...ks-per-report/ Brandon Aiyuk trade rumors: Steelers in mix for 49ers WR; San Francisco asking for two No. 1 picks, per report By Bryan DeArdo Despite reports of aggressively pursuing him just hours earlier, the New England Patriots have bowed out of the Brandon Aiyuk sweepstakes, according to ESPN. New England was reportedly prepared to make the 49ers' wideout one of the five highest-paid receivers in the NFL. Yet after inquiring about Aiyuk's availability, the Patriots have decided to change course and will instead put their trust into their young receiving corps for the 2024 season. The Patriots might be out, but another AFC squad is still reportedly in the running to land Aiyuk, who has requested a trade out of San Francisco. The Steelers reengaged in trade talks with the 49ers on Tuesday after things had stalled Monday night, according to ESPN. The Washington Commanders and Cleveland Browns are two other teams to keep an eye on. No verbal agreement has been made between the Steelers and the 49ers on a possible trade as of Wednesday evening, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, which added that any potential deal would not involve the Steelers giving up a player. The 49ers have asked the Steelers for two first-round picks for Aiyuk, according to Jim Wexell of Steel City Insider. The Steelers have long been rumored as a possible landing spot for Aiyuk, who requested a trade from the 49ers as the two sides have been unable to come to terms on a long-term contract. Pittsburgh has somewhat of a void at receiver after the team traded former Pro Bowler Diontae Johnson to Carolina earlier this offseason. Veterans Van Jefferson, Calvin Austin III and rookie Roman Wilson are currently in the running to serve as the Steelers' No. 2 wideout opposite George Pickens. There's no doubt Aiyuk would add a spark to the Steelers' offense. A 2020 first-round pick, Aiuyk's career took off after Brock Purdy took over as the 49ers' starting quarterback in 2022. He had his first 1,000-yard season that year, and last season recorded a career-high 1,342 yards while helping the 49ers capture the NFC title. If he comes to Pittsburgh, Aiyuk would round out an offense that already has notable players in Pickens, running backs Najee Harris and Jaylen Warren, tight end Pat Freiermuth, two first-round picks on the offensive line (Broderick Jones and Troy Fautanu) and quarterbacks Russell Wilson and Justin Fields. |
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