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11-17-2017, 07:45 AM | |
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Tesla unveil Semi, new Roadster, & also teased a "pickup truck"
Anyone watch the unveil last night?
The numbers on the semi destroyed what anyone thought possible. - 0-60 in 5 sec - 0-60 in 20 sec under max gross payload of 80k lbs - 65mph up 5% grade under max lied, compared to 45mph for ICE semi - 500 mile range - 400 miles of additional range after 30 min charge - Guaranteed 7¢/kWh fuel cost(solar) compared to volatile oil - Nuclear explosion proof glass(apparently cracked windshield takes semi off road) - 1 million mile guarantee it won't breakdown - Will never need a brake change - "Impossible" to jacknife - Beats semis on economics day 1 - In convoy mode, beats rail on economics 300 miles of range: $150,000 500 miles of range: $180,000 Founders series: $200,000 https://youtu.be/CBTQnmUolas The Roadster was a complete surprise, and the numbers given destroy any production car you can think of, even a Koenisegg. - 0-60 in 1.9 sec (this is faster than most Formula 1 cars) - 0-100 in 4.2 - 1/4 mile in 8.9 sec - 250+ mph top speed - 621 mile range (That's Kansas City to Denver without fueling) - 10,000 nm torque and that's the base model. Starting at $200k and Founders series at $250k. Destroys million dollar cars. Also teased a rendering image of a consumer pickup truck with a normal truck in the bed. https://youtu.be/5n9xafjynJA Last edited by aturnis; 11-23-2017 at 02:02 AM.. |
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05-14-2018, 09:02 AM | #196 | |
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http://www.businessinsider.com/waymo...arizona-2018-5 Headline: A Waymo self-driving van was involved in a crash in Arizona If you read the detail, the car 1) wasn't on auto-pilot at the time and 2) was only involved because another car RAN A RED LIGHT AND SWERVED INTO ITS LANE. I mean, seriously? Why is this a story in the national news? I mean, I get it when there are stories where auto-pilot was clearly on and where there is an accident that a human probably would have avoided. There haven't been many of those, but I can think of two at least. Sure, it's interesting to know when the tech didn't work right to gain an understanding of where the tech is these days. But I don't understand why stories like the one Bwana posted are published before someone actually knows if autopilot played a role. To further prove the point, this site estimates that there are roughly 15k accidents PER DAY in the U.S., yet a random accident where the only injury is a broken ankle makes national news? It doesn't make any objective sense unless your viewpoint is that self-driving cars are bad, full stop, and any evidence that MIGHT serve that position should be shouted from the rooftops. |
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05-14-2018, 09:20 AM | #197 |
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I think the autopilot feature, if it was in use, makes the story newsworthy. The concept of self-driving cars and Tesla's autopilot specifically has been the subject of plenty of discussion in other accidents, some involving fatalities. The question of whether cars should have the feature in the first place is a valid question.
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05-14-2018, 09:30 AM | #199 | |
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http://bgr.com/2017/01/19/tesla-auto...-report-nhtsa/ As I said before, I agree that it is newsworthy when there is an accident where autopilot clearly IS at fault. My criticism is that pretty much every time a Tesla (or other self-driving car) is in an accident, it makes the news regardless of whether autopilot was involved or not. It's news orgs reaching for sensationalist headlines that give the impression that self-driving cars aren't safe, when the reality is quite the opposite. When it comes down to it, the "debate" about whether self-driving cars are safer than human drivers is already closed. The question moving forward is more about HOW MUCH safer they are and UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES self-driving cars might struggle. |
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05-14-2018, 11:10 AM | #200 | |
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If I go plow into a bus load of kids because I ran a stoplight I’m liable. Problem is that if you remove the driver there is no one to be liable. That leaves....the manufacturer. Nobody is going to eat that kind of liability. It’s the same shit with tractors. All I can hear is that it is the wave of the future. Yeah. Duh, stupid. Get guys out of the seat and it will sell. I have a 20 year old tractor with the hardware to do it. But if something Happens and there was no problem in the user controlled activities the liability falls to the manufacturer. And I know Mother Deere won’t stand for that. In fact there is a screen that pops up every time you turn it on that the driver is responsible for collision avoidance. And that is why. Deere wants no part of that noise. |
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05-14-2018, 12:17 PM | #201 | |
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Is Auto Pilot better than Jeff Gordon on two cans of Mountain Dew trying to drive as precisely as possible for a small period of time? No probably not. But computers don't get tired. They don't fatigue. They don't forget. They don't text & drive. They don't miss the brake on accident and hit the gas. They don't have to worry about a crying kid. They don't have to worry about spilling coffee on their lap and burning them. And they don't get drunk. |
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05-14-2018, 12:29 PM | #202 | |
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05-14-2018, 01:23 PM | #204 |
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05-14-2018, 02:57 PM | #205 | |
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05-14-2018, 03:24 PM | #206 | |
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That just isn't true of the mass produced middling priced cars. The margins are thinner. Recalls can eat up the thinner profit margin and drivers are going to be more upset about the recalls. His track record is fine if he sticks to high markup roadsters. His track is very poor if he wants to compete with Toyota. |
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05-14-2018, 03:24 PM | #207 |
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05-14-2018, 03:30 PM | #208 | |
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It would be a personal defeat for Musk, but a tie-up with VW would make a lot of sense for the model 3. Tesla would get a deep pocket funder that has decades of know how about mass producing reliable cars. VW would get a fast track in its switch from diesel to electric. |
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05-14-2018, 03:32 PM | #209 |
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I'm curious also as to why he thought it was better to jump to a full sized electric Semi instead of doing a smaller delivery truck. Long distance trucking produces all sorts of headaches regarding range and re-charging. An urban delivery truck that spends a lot of time loading/unloading and stuck in slow moving traffic wouldn't need near the same range and always returns to the same location at night for charging.
Oh I totally believe that Elon's goal isn't to make money. But he is not going to have the bigger impact if he goes bankrupt. |
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05-14-2018, 04:00 PM | #210 |
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I wonder if people would feel better about auto-pilot if they turned their brain on and remembered every time you fly the pilot gets you off the ground and then doesn't do shit. The plane flies you, lands you etc...
And flying is so much more safe than driving it's not even funny. |
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